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re: Vitamin K shots for newborns
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:17 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:17 pm to crazy4lsu
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Are you forever going to avoid dealing with the substantive aspects of a post or are you going to try this chickenshit with me all the time?
You made a definitive statement, I rebutted it with "literature".
What more do you want? Craft your statements better, hedge more, something.
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Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:24 pm to SallysHuman
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You made a definitive statement, I rebutted it with "literature".
First, in American English, punctuation goes inside the quotation marks.
Secondly, again, your argument appears to be that the disease burden of TB is solely determined by immigrant status has to hinge on a very specific notion, which you have yet to rebut. Moreover, the full picture of the data absolutely doesn't suggest any 'muh open borders' narrative, but again, you seem resistant to that suggestion despite evidence against it.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:24 pm to SallysHuman
This thread has been a puzzling read.
Am I understanding that people who are vaccine skeptics think that mass immigration is to blame for Measles upticks?
But,....wouldn't that mean that all these people coming in from impoverished countries are......vaccinated?
Am I understanding that people who are vaccine skeptics think that mass immigration is to blame for Measles upticks?
But,....wouldn't that mean that all these people coming in from impoverished countries are......vaccinated?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:26 pm to crazy4lsu
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Secondly, again, your argument appears to be that the disease burden of TB is solely determined by immigrant status
My argument is from the CDC which states 76% of TB cases is of non US born individuals.
Literature.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:27 pm to Eurocat
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Am I understanding that people who are vaccine skeptics think that mass immigration is to blame for Measles upticks? But,....wouldn't that mean that all these people coming in from impoverished countries are......vaccinated?
I've been mainly debating TB, but okay.
Also, many measles outbreaks have been in un/under vaccinated immigrant communities.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:35 pm to SallysHuman
So you support vaccines?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:39 pm to SallysHuman
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My argument is from the CDC which states 76% of TB cases is of non US born individuals.
Don't shift the goalposts. Here is what you said.
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Also... measles isn't the only, or the worst, disease being compounded by open borders.
There is no evidence anything is being made worse by 'open borders.' Again, the broad trends indicate the exact opposite. Don't be dishonest please.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:41 pm to Eurocat
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So you support vaccines?
Both of my children are selectively vaccinated, so yes.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:43 pm to crazy4lsu
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There is no evidence anything is being made worse by 'open borders.' Again, the broad trends indicate the exact opposite. Don't be dishonest please.
I said compounded by open borders... and yes, 76% of TB in the US being of foreigners backs up my statement absolutely.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:46 pm to crazy4lsu
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There is no evidence anything is being made worse by 'open borders.' Again, the broad trends indicate the exact opposite. Don't be dishonest please.
I don't find the "illegals did this because they're unvaccinated" argument particularly convincing even if it were true. You protect yourself and others when you're vaccinated. Are you never going to travel outside the country if you and your tribe choose not to vaccinate? You'd also have to be certain you never come into contact with another unvaccinated individual who traveled internationally and was exposed to a virus. There are plenty of ways you can contract a virus without illegal immigration being the culprit. It's why using the Amish as an example is a fools errand. Sure, if everyone agrees to live completely unplugged from every other society outside their clan, being unvaccinated might not be so bad.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:47 pm to SallysHuman
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I said compounded by open borders... and yes, 76% of TB in the US being of foreigners backs up my statement absolutely.
It really isn't. Again, because you can't apparently research, nor do you understand anything about the disease, the numbers of cases from immigrants has remained extremely consistent from 1993 onwards. What has decreased is the US-born total. And given the fatality rates, what is happening is that they are screened for TB, given treatment, and then are fine.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:49 pm to Ingeniero
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I don't find the "illegals did this because they're unvaccinated" argument particularly convincing even if it were true.
TB is about the worst example you could possibly use too.
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ure, if everyone agrees to live completely unplugged from every other society outside their clan, being unvaccinated might not be so bad.
It's also a way to ensure mass death with even slight selective pressure.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:51 pm to crazy4lsu
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It really isn't. Again, because you can't apparently research, nor do you understand anything about the disease, the numbers of cases from immigrants has remained extremely consistent from 1993 onwards.
I showed the chart of non US born TB cases. Preceding and containing the Biden years.
What more do you want?
You said there was no increase. CDC said there was.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:54 pm to crazy4lsu
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TB is about the worst example you could possibly use too.
TB is a fantastic example of imported disease burden.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:56 pm to SallysHuman
Okay, have a good one!
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:58 pm to SallysHuman
Again, there is no evidence that the disease burden of TB is increased through immigrants alone. Because the number of immigrants who had TB in the years your data provided are not even among the top 15 in total caseloads of TB among immigrants since 1993. I don't suspect you understand what that means. Can you try to recite what I said back to me, fitting it within the larger argument?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:59 pm to SallysHuman
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TB is a fantastic example of imported disease burden.
It is not, for reasons I addressed in another post. And it is a terrible example because of its own morphology. Nonetheless, no vaccine exists for it regardless.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 3:01 pm to crazy4lsu
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Nonetheless, no vaccine exists for it regardless.
That's actually what makes it interesting.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 3:05 pm to SallysHuman
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That's actually what makes it interesting.
What do you mean?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 3:16 pm to crazy4lsu
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What do you mean?
That there isn't a vaccine widely used in the US for TB... debating immigration and disease is made more interesting in the absence of vaccine.
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