re: Ukraine Troops withdraw from Lysyschansk

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I have a feeling that most of this could have been avoided if Zelensky ceded that territory to Russia, but his ego, along with the prospect billions of dollars in international aid and weapons, got in the way of his realistic logic.

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Unlikely, Russia wanted Ukraine in it's Sphere of influence. They'd finally extracted most of their frontline troops and equipment from Syria and if you look at Putin's past moves (Transniestra, Chechyna, South Ossetia/Abkhazia, Donetsk and Luhansk, Crimea, Syria, etc..) He's pretty much had his core army involved to capacity since he came to power, trying to restore the Soviet Empire (He doesn't even hide the fact that he wants to restore it).

He needed a land corridor to Crimea and Transniestra, and figured he'd just walk into Kyiv and they'd fold like a tent (I think most ppl figured they would too).

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They hadn't occupied those territories for 7 years, there was absolutely no sign of them taking them back, and the people in those areas all wanted to be part of Russia.

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So Russia and the separatists definitely only wanted the areas controlled by the DPR and LPR? Is that what you are saying?

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My God, do any of you actually think about this rationally or do you just listen to what NBC tells you you're supposed to think? Grow up, Peter Pan.

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You’re barking up the wrong tree with that. I’m as far as you’ll get from the automatic anti-Putin mouthpieces. Quite the opposite, I believe that there is no inherent reason why Russia and the US should be opposed geopolitically. It was a mistake to shun them in the early 2000’s.

That said, If you actually believe that Russia didn’t intend, from the beginning back in 2014, to eventually occupy the majority of Ukraine east of the Dnieper, you’re the one that needs to grow up. It has transparently been their goal for a long time.

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nlikely, Russia wanted Ukraine in it's Sphere of influence.

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They were. The US overtly staged a coup that changed that dynamic.

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e's pretty much had his core army involved to capacity since he came to power, trying to restore the Soviet Empire (He doesn't even hide the fact that he wants to restore it).

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He'd like to restore it's power and perception of power, not recreate it with the same satellite countries that bankrupted it.

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He needed a land corridor to Crimea and Transniestra, and figured he'd just walk into Kyiv and they'd fold like a tent (I think most ppl figured they would too).

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You don't need to march to Kiev to do that.

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think that's a delusional assumption

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Which part? They have already expanded their goals farther than DPR and LPR controlled areas, to include all of Donbas, and parts of Kharkiv, Zaporizhia, Kherson, Odessa and effectively Ukraine’s entire Black Sea coast. Exactly what about my assumption that they’ll eventually demand the whole eastern third of Ukraine is delusional? They transparently want to be able to navigate to Crimea and Transnistria using Russian soil.

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I'm saying ceding the territories that they're almost certainly never going to retake could have prevented escalation.

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Absolutely. For about 18 months until they identified another area with a Russian-speaking population that needs “protection”

Look, I don’t think the US or NATO should be involved at all. But it’s absurd to keep doubling down on the notion that Ukraine should be expected to not defend itself, or to just acquiesce to Russian territorial demands.

You obviously are not uninformed on the issues at play here. There is no way you believe that giving up the Donbas would have ended the situation.

She's been in politics 100 years, please list the good things she's done besides predicting the stock market..

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He'd like to restore it's power and perception of power, not recreate it with the same satellite countries that bankrupted it.

You don't need to march to Kiev to do that.

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Ther soviet union didn't go bankrupt due to satellite states. It went bankrupt due thi engaging in an arms race With the US and attempting to natch or foreign influence.

The Ukraine has a wealth of resources and farmland. it was probably the most profitable land by acre in the soviet empire.

As to why not just carve a path. Strategically they had limited forces in Crimea and Ukrainian units were already staged towards those fronts due to the annexation of Crimea and Donetsk and Luhansk. Couple that eith what had been a previously friendly government and the way the rolled towards Kiev in a column fashion, one would guess they figured kiev would just fold without a major battle. Obviously that never happened but if successful the war would have been over in days.

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Well then why were y’all complaining when Pelosi stood up to China, by going to Taiwan?

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it is well known she went there for her husband's stick purchases of Nvidea. you are a fricking moron.