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re: Ukraine Crisis: What you're not being told
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:32 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:32 pm to LSURussian
quote:
Where did I mention Georgia?
Well, you've blamed Obama's weakness for this episode.
Meanwhile, Georgia's politicians are saying this current fiasco is a natural progression following what happened to them in 2008, (when Obama wasn't in office).
LINK
Anyhow, I was just curious if you'd posted throughout that event, since you've been a member for 10 years. Wanted to see what you had to say then.
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:34 pm to todospm
Yet Odrama is the face of our foreign policy for over 6 years he had the Cankle Queen hit the reset button. 
This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:44 pm to OleWar
Is there anything I've presented in this thread that you dispute?
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:52 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:53 pm to Sleeping Tiger
How about this horseshite?
Urmas Paet: "All the evidence shows that the people who were killed by snipers from both sides, among police men and people in the street, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides."
Cathy Ashton: "Well that's, yeah..."
Urmas Paet: "And she also showed me some photos and she said that has medical doctor, she can say that it is the same handwriting..."
Cathy Ashton: "Yeah..."
Urmas Paet: "Same type of bullets... and it's really disturbing that now the new coalition, that they don't want to investigate what exactly happened. So that there is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovich, but it was somebody from the new coalition."
What does this dork from Estonia have to do with anything?
Do you think it's odd a doctor in a third world country supposedly has the expertise to identify hand writing?
Do you think it's uncommon for sniper rifles to use the same caliber round?
Urmas Paet: "All the evidence shows that the people who were killed by snipers from both sides, among police men and people in the street, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides."
Cathy Ashton: "Well that's, yeah..."
Urmas Paet: "And she also showed me some photos and she said that has medical doctor, she can say that it is the same handwriting..."
Cathy Ashton: "Yeah..."
Urmas Paet: "Same type of bullets... and it's really disturbing that now the new coalition, that they don't want to investigate what exactly happened. So that there is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovich, but it was somebody from the new coalition."
What does this dork from Estonia have to do with anything?
Do you think it's odd a doctor in a third world country supposedly has the expertise to identify hand writing?
Do you think it's uncommon for sniper rifles to use the same caliber round?
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:00 pm to OleWar
SCG used available material from various news outlets and compiled it into a story that inspired this thread. They name sources on the their site.
Again, do you have a dispute with anything presented in this thread. If not I'm going to move on.
Again, do you have a dispute with anything presented in this thread. If not I'm going to move on.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:01 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Mograyback yoohoo over here I have a few.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:17 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Because I would like to know that SCG is not a psyop by the Russian Government. Because it is exactly the same talking points being put out by the Russian Government.
If you had lived in the the Soviet Union, this whole Svoboda/UPA/Fascist meme has been around since 1945. Now they are using the same talking points put out by your good friend Stalin, and you are repeating them.
Nevertheless Svoboda has never dominated Ukraine politically, their members may have been prominent on the barricades, but maidan would not have gone anywhere had not the cosmopolitan people of Kyiv come out in force.
There is some honest criticism that could be leveled at Svoboda, the Timoshenko Block, the EU and the US government.
But if you don't understand Yanakovych got what he deserved because he began to exert authoritarianism to a population that had generally enjoyed relative civic freedom since 2004 and did nothing to help Ukraine economically , then I can't help you, and you can go about finding whatever Russian propaganda sites you want.
If you had lived in the the Soviet Union, this whole Svoboda/UPA/Fascist meme has been around since 1945. Now they are using the same talking points put out by your good friend Stalin, and you are repeating them.
Nevertheless Svoboda has never dominated Ukraine politically, their members may have been prominent on the barricades, but maidan would not have gone anywhere had not the cosmopolitan people of Kyiv come out in force.
There is some honest criticism that could be leveled at Svoboda, the Timoshenko Block, the EU and the US government.
But if you don't understand Yanakovych got what he deserved because he began to exert authoritarianism to a population that had generally enjoyed relative civic freedom since 2004 and did nothing to help Ukraine economically , then I can't help you, and you can go about finding whatever Russian propaganda sites you want.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:18 pm to Jbird
Sorry. When 99% of your posts directed at me have nothing to do with the topic at hand I'm going to ignore the 1% that does. This behavior from you had gone on long enough. You spark no emotion with me. It's like you're not even there, 'it's like an Eastern thing' as the Dude would say.
It also doesn't help that I don't see a point in arguing about it. You think a phone call between a prime minister of foreign affairs and and EU official is irrelevant, and that's fine. I honestly don't really care.
It also doesn't help that I don't see a point in arguing about it. You think a phone call between a prime minister of foreign affairs and and EU official is irrelevant, and that's fine. I honestly don't really care.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:23 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Just as I suspected Mograyback has no answer, something's can't be changed by crying for a new name.
Here I will give you an easy one, you commented on a fricking doctor claiming the hand writing was similar, who in their right fricking mind would take that as a fact that it was the same? Other than fricking morons who link to a "news" site where nearly half of their page is made up of shortcuts to "news" of cute and hot chicks of the Ukraine.
Here I will give you an easy one, you commented on a fricking doctor claiming the hand writing was similar, who in their right fricking mind would take that as a fact that it was the same? Other than fricking morons who link to a "news" site where nearly half of their page is made up of shortcuts to "news" of cute and hot chicks of the Ukraine.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:30 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:33 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:52 pm to todospm
quote:
(boston says thanks!)
douche
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:59 pm to LSURussian
Any specific issue? Or just playing to the crowd, as usual.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 11:00 pm to Sleeping Tiger
quote:
Any specific issue? Or just playing to the crowd, as usual.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 11:14 pm to 90proofprofessional
quote:
Ukraine Crisis: What you're not being told
quote:
(boston says thanks!)
douche
We shouldn't support Sunni Islamists. They don't like us. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 3/14/14 at 11:29 pm to OleWar
quote:
Because I would like to know that SCG is not a psyop by the Russian Government. Because it is exactly the same talking points being put out by the Russian Government.
What specific information do you dispute? Is anything incorrect?
Since you insist on being difficult, here is a list of sources for the article on SCG.
ETA: All of these links work from the article, which can be found here.
If all the information is compiled from news outlets and is properly sourced, how can you think this is the work of Russian psyops?
Sources
Reuters - In Ukraine, nationalists gain influence - and scrutiny: LINK
BBC - Svoboda: The rise of Ukraine's ultra-nationalists: LINK E.U. Resolution warning about associating with Svoboda: LINK
CNN - Belatedly realizes that Neo-Nazis are running the show: LINK
Reuters - U.S. still defends their puppets: LINK
Crimean Parliament votes to secede: LINK
The U.S. Says they will not recognize the results of a referendum: LINK
General Dempsey says the U.S. may take military action in Ukraine: www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/natosource/dempsey-us-military-will-fulfill-treaty-obligations-to-nato-allies
Kerry condemns 'aggression' by Russia: LINK
Russia warns the U.S. that they will drop the dollar if sanctions are imposed, and says they will call for others to drop the dollar as well: LINK
Obama pretends he didn't notice and signs sanctions order targeting Russia anyway: LINK
Russia warns Kerry that sanctions will boomerang (and he's right): LINK
Syrian Rebels Massacred Entire Villages: LINK
And yet the U.S. and Israel are currently increasing their support for the rebels: LINK
Congress secretly approves U.S. weapons flow to 'moderate' Syrian rebels: LINK
China and Russia are in Agreement about the situation in Ukraine: LINK
China - Largest Foreign Creditor of U.S. : LINK
quote:
Nevertheless Svoboda has never dominated Ukraine politically, their members may have been prominent on the barricades, but maidan would not have gone anywhere had not the cosmopolitan people of Kyiv come out in force.
I'm not sure what the relevance is that Svoboda had low support in the past, the fact is clear that their members have been put in positions of great power in the new government.
quote:
But if you don't understand Yanakovych got what he deserved
This comment sheds a lot of light on what I'm dealing with here.. I've never said he didn't get what he deserved. Everything is not a zero sum situation.
This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 3/14/14 at 11:45 pm to Sleeping Tiger
most of the links are broken just so you know
Posted on 3/14/14 at 11:55 pm to blackrose890
first 10, 4 worked
likely the least relevant ones
likely the least relevant ones
Posted on 3/14/14 at 11:59 pm to 90proofprofessional
All of the links work from the site.
I copy and pasted the sources page, not all of them transferred properly.
I updated the post and included a link to the article where the links are working.
I copy and pasted the sources page, not all of them transferred properly.
I updated the post and included a link to the article where the links are working.
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