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Ukraine Crisis: What you're not being told

Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:19 pm
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:19 pm
The American and European public are being misled on the Ukraine Crisis.

On February 20th, 2014 snipers opened fire in Kiev, killing 21. It was widely assumed that Viktor Yanukovych was behind the attack.

However, a leaked phone conversation reveals it was actually the new coalition government that was behind the shootings.

Reporting this would damage the official narrative, so it was ignored.

The media is painting the opposition as a peaceful bunch that wants to be free of Russia's oppressive grip and join the EU.

As it turns out, the most powerful group in the opposition is a coalition of neo-nazi fascists. They are violent and extremely brutal.

The most prominent of these extremists groups in an organization called Svoboda.

Their roots are traced to the Ukrainian Partisan Party during WWII, which was outlawed with Nazi Germany.

Until 2004 Svoboda was called The Social Nationalist party, a clear reference to the National Socialism of the Nazi's.

Neo-Nazi is not just a term being thrown around as a slur, the leader of Svaboda has targeted jews and ethnic Russians. He's on record saying 'stop the crimes of organized jewry'. He was kicked out of the government in 2004 for trying to organize violence against jews.

Oleh Tyahnybok, leader of Svoboda.


Svoboda was condemned for being racist and anti Semitic.

Yet the United Stated decided to back this extremist group because they thought they could control them.

Recent photos




The Svoboda leadership and Right Sektor are in charge, we backed them, and they're bad people.



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The 'I am Ukrainian' video that went viral, getting nearly 8 million hits on youtube is a propaganda piece created by a Washington establishment group.

A simple click to the link in the description section of the video reveals the truth. LINK

The man listed as 'inspirer and executive producer' is an American belonging to the Council on Foreign Relations, National Endowment for Democracy, and advisor for the US State Department.

The National Endowment for Democracy has been pouring billions into regime change in Ukraine.

And this is the organization behind the anti Russian propaganda video.

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What is really quite hilarious is Crimea decided to vote on secession from Ukraine.

But the United States said that is unconstitutional and won't recognize the secession if it is approved.

So apparently it's unconstitutional for Crimea to democratically vote on their future, but it is constitutional for the United States to back a neo-nazi fascist regime and poor billions into subverting the hearts and minds of Ukrainians.

Wake Up

-With Love

You can view the inspiration for this thread which includes the leaked phone calls here.
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:21 pm to
Sleepingbackhair bringing the tin foil from downtown.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:24 pm to
Make a point, or move along.

Specifically point out what is a conspiracy or apologize for being incorrect.

Anything that is claimed is also linked and supported.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:28 pm to
can someone give some amplifying info on the leaked phone call that allegedly proves the coalition govt is behind the shootings?

i'm curious but i'm not watching any goddamn videos, and i'm sure the op won't bother to substantiate that any further
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:28 pm to
quote:

Specifically point out what is a conspiracy or apologize for being incorrect.
You ARE the conspiracy Backhair.
quote:

Anything that is claimed is also linked and supported.
So.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:33 pm to
quote:


i'm curious but i'm not watching any goddamn videos, and i'm sure the op won't bother to substantiate that any further


This is part of the dialogue.

Urmas Paet: "All the evidence shows that the people who were killed by snipers from both sides, among police men and people in the street, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides."
Cathy Ashton: "Well that's, yeah..."
Urmas Paet: "And she also showed me some photos and she said that has medical doctor, she can say that it is the same handwriting..."
Cathy Ashton: "Yeah..."
Urmas Paet: "Same type of bullets... and it's really disturbing that now the new coalition, that they don't want to investigate what exactly happened. So that there is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovich, but it was somebody from the new coalition."
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73433 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:35 pm to
quote:

Urmas Paet:
Who?
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:39 pm to
Prime Minister of Foreign Affairs for Estonia
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:40 pm to
well, thanks for transcribing that. is there anything else relevant about it to note
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73433 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:40 pm to
So what is his area of expertise concerning Ukraine?
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 10:43 pm
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73433 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:43 pm to
quote:

Urmas Paet: "And she also showed me some photos and she said that has medical doctor, she can say that it is the same handwriting..."

Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63481 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:43 pm to
I will say this. I think the situation is far more complicated than most of us on this board can deal with from true knowledge or expertise. We adapt the situation to argue our domestic political points.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73433 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:46 pm to
What does this dork from Estonia have to do with anything?
Do you think it's odd a doctor in a third world country supposedly has the expertise to identify hand writing?
Do you think it's uncommon for sniper rifles to use the same caliber round?
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:47 pm to
quote:

We adapt the situation to argue our domestic political points.

most def
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:47 pm to
Got all your little infowars talking points all in order...Alex Jones must so proud to have a little bitch like you spread his gospel.
Posted by beulahland
Little D'arbonne
Member since Jan 2013
3573 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:49 pm to
I'm sure our govt. would not lie to us about supporting bad guys.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 10:50 pm to
quote:

Got all your little infowars talking points all in order...Alex Jones must so proud to have a little bitch like you spread his gospel.



I can not stand Alex Jones. I do not ever go to Info Wars.

None of what was presented is a conspiracy.

Care to make a comment on the context in the OP?
Posted by fleaux
section 0
Member since Aug 2012
8741 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:00 pm to
I much prefer a basil pesto than that fake crap they threw at us last night .... Who uses cilantro in pesto , anyway??
Posted by BeerCity
Asheville, North Carolina
Member since Nov 2013
622 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:03 pm to
Man politics is a slimy business full of slime balls. As The Police said "There is no political solution to our troubled evolution". I don't think the human race is going to make it fellas.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:05 pm to
I think there is a tendency in the U.S. to assume that if Russia, China or Iran are for it, then we must be against it. When the U.S.S.R. invaded Afghanistan, we supported the Afghans under the assumption that nothing can be worse than the Soviets. On 9/11, we found out that this assumption was wrong. In Syria, this mindset led us to supporting Al Qaeda types who were sworn enemies of the U.S. that were worse than Assad, Iran and Hezbollah. Perhaps our hysteria over Ukraine is example of Putinphobia blinding us to what's in our best interest.
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