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re: UAP /paranormal primer: essential information for what is to come

Posted on 6/8/23 at 1:31 pm to
Posted by Jack Carter
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Posted on 6/8/23 at 1:31 pm to
Yeah, I'm not buying it either. They called 911 but couldn't use their phones to capture these beings on camera?

And that green "UFO crash" looks exactly like the meteorites I see entering the atmosphere from time to time.
Posted by lake chuck fan
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Posted on 6/8/23 at 1:38 pm to
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I am very concerned for how most people will handle things even if 10% of above is proven as each theme generates uncertainty in most manmade control constructs (organized religion, government, social constructs) which will introduce ontological shock for most


People might handle it better than expected. Finding truth will allow people to grow and probably see things in a more logical or sensible way. The reality is people will have to cope, what other choice is there? Chances are, whatever comes won't be anything we expect.

Posted by ThuperThumpin
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Posted on 6/8/23 at 1:44 pm to
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Keep paying attention


FWIW Substack article LINK



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And now, multiple sources close to the matter have come forward to tell Public that Grusch’s core claims are accurate. The individuals are all either high-ranking intelligence officials, former intelligence officials, or individuals who we could verify were involved in U.S. government UAP efforts for three or more decades each. Two of them have testified, including as recently as last year, to both AARO and Congress.
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In April, the director of the Pentagon’s new program for studying UFOs said he had seen no evidence of alien spacecraft. “I should also state clearly for the record,” said Sean Kirkpatrick, the Director of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), “that in our research, AARO has found no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity, off-world technology, or objects that defy the known laws of physics.”
Former deputy assistant secretary of Defense for Intelligence, Christopher Mellon, recently reported that he has spoken to more than four witnesses who say they know of “a secret U.S. government program involving the analysis and exploitation of materials recovered from off-world craft… Some have supplied information to the intelligence community’s inspector general, others directly to the staff of the congressional oversight committees.”

The individuals said they had seen or been presented with “credible” and “verifiable” evidence that the U.S. government, and U.S. military contractors, possess at least 12 or more alien space crafts, some of which they shared with AARO, which AARO has refused to provide to Congress. The reason AARO “has not discovered any verifiable information,” they said, is because it does have the authority to verify it and may not want to verify it.

“In his testimony to Congress, Kirkpatrick said that AARO is operating under Title 10 authority, but most intelligence agencies operate under a higher, Title 50 Authority,” explained a source “The intelligence community with Title 50, feels free to stonewall AARO with Title 10 because they view Title 10 authority as inferior to Title 50.”

The sources all expressed anger and frustration at the Pentagon’s denial of the existence of nonhuman craft and materials. “The denials coming out of Susan Gough and the Pentagon are specifically chosen to use AARO as the source of information when Grusch has already addressed that AARO didn’t have access. And so, of course, they didn’t discover anything.”

Said another individual, “The AARO response is typical because they are not doing any investigation of the testimony they’ve been given. Kirkpatrick has not been reporting properly to the congressional committees.”

Indeed, Grusch took a whistleblower complaint to the ICIG precisely because, he says, the military and intelligence community was withholding information from AARO and from Congress. It was only after becoming a whistleblower that Congress invited Grusch to give closed-door testimony in a secure information facility.


The sources of Grusch briefings are currently being kept secret but if any of this is true than ARRO , as I suspected, is a complete waste of time. Congress is going to have to do all the heavy lifting.

As for the supposed primary sources, the true whistleblowers, like John Greenwald said last night, its time to put up or shut up. If you have the goods bring them directly to Gilibrand or who ever in congress and lets settle this one way or another.
This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 2:11 pm
Posted by ThuperThumpin
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Posted on 6/8/23 at 1:45 pm to
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Police bodycam records UFO crash landing in Las Vegas


That looks like just about every meteor I ve seen fall.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:07 am to
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Substack article




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One of the sources revealed that there has existed since the early 2000s a top-secret computer discussion platform known as “R-Space,” and that it has grown to include 1,500 government or government-funded scientists and analysts evaluating UAPs. “All the people on R-Space have top secret, very high clearance to get there,” the person explained. “But Area 51 is above that. It has special access programs where you have to be read in.”

It’s not clear that the programs are under democratic authority. “Only certain politicians and presidents who grew up in this world, who touched this program, get read in,” said a source.


R-Space > TD premium membership
This post was edited on 6/9/23 at 3:18 am
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 3:17 am to
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/08/ufo-house-representatives-hearing-investigation

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House of Representatives to hold hearing on whistleblower’s UFO claims
Oversight committee to investigate allegations that US has possession of ‘intact or partially intact’ alien vehicles


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The House of Representatives plans to investigate claims that the US government is harboring UFOs after a whistleblower former intelligence official said the US has possession of “intact and partially intact” alien vehicles. James Comer, the Republican chair of the House oversight committee, said the committee would hold a hearing into claims by David Grusch, who led analysis of unexplained anomalous phenomena (UAP) within a US Department of Defense agency, that the government had been collecting non-human craft for “decades”. This file video grab image shows part of an unclassified video taken by US navy pilots showing interactions with ‘unidentified aerial phenomena’. US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles Read more Grusch, who left the government in April after a 14-year career in US intelligence, told the Debrief that information on these vehicles was being illegally withheld from Congress. “There will be oversight of that,” Comer told NewsNation. “We plan on having a hearing.”


Remember National Press Club Event and Greer’s info happen/drop next week…
This post was edited on 6/9/23 at 3:21 am
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 5:08 am to

The machine isn't going to out itself.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 6:04 am to
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The machine isn't going to out itself.


Concur
Very mixed feelings currently (feels like a setup)

Stay sharp
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 6:18 am to
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1450vfi/here_is_the_interview_that_gursch_gave_to_le/

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Here is the interview that Gursch gave to "Le Parisien." He made the front page of one of the largest newspapers in France.


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What happened? In 1933, a bell-shaped vessel, about ten meters in size, was recovered in Magenta, northern Italy. It was kept by Mussolini's government until it was recovered by agents of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), an old US intelligence agency, in 1944. The irony is that it predates everything the public has heard about for decades, like Roswell, etc. I was authorized to talk about it by the Department of Defense's prepublication and security review office.


VERY big synchronicity for TPA (think date /time/proximity of Grusch statement release)
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 6:21 am to
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Stay sharp


I feel that the Vegas story is a huge distraction meant to be “debunked” along with all the UAP “nonsense”

Stay on point
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:06 am to
I’ve always been curious about this topic. And since the Nimitz videos were leaked, I have casually looked deeper. Listen to one particular podcast, who seems less woo-woo than others. This guy, the black vault, is super diligent about filing freedom of information, following up, decipherin bureaucratic jargon… But at the end of the day, all he’s doing is just playing their game.

It’s like Anon, or some sort of Bible Code to him. He put all this effort into trying to keep the government honest in what they release, thinking that somehow he may trip them up and use their own information against them.

Problem is they won’t ever deal in good faith. They will never come clean and say “whoops! You got us. Here are all the details“
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 9:25 am to
If all we suspect is true:

They will never fully give in. Four reasons off the top of my head.

1. Vast wealth is involved here. Who gives that up?
2. Vast power.
3. Vast criminal charges. Who did what what with all that wealth and power?
4. Even if you control/defeat 1 and 2 and make a deal on #3 via immunity the leakage of tech and people involved would I think be like the race to corral all the Nazi scientist after WWII. Countries and Corps would be racing to grab all the tech and the scientist they can plus all the scientist trying to go it alone. I don't think they could put it all in one easy quick net and call it a day. Put it another way I don't think all the rebels would come in and pledge back to the Union.

"If those who don't know do not have leverage against those who do how does it change?"


Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 10:21 am to
Apparently, there’s only one way this changes. Any aliens that are actually real decide to put their foot, tentacle, fin, or whatever it is they use down and take control for themselves.
Posted by LookSquirrel
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 11:03 am to
Now this is getting more interesting. More details of the firey "crash" in Vegas, which just happens to be the local beat of the famous UFO Film maker, George Knapp.

It left a pattern on the ground, like landing gear and the witnesses are spooked.

Give his latest report a look see.

'100% they're not human,'

LINK
Posted by CCT
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 12:01 pm to
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Only certain politicians and presidents who grew up in this world, who touched this program, get read in,”


This is was I find disconcerting. The Ivy Leaguers? CIA family members (the Bush family)? Who the hell is read into all this?
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 6:35 pm to

Problem with the Vegas story is that the meteor was likely 100's if not 1000's of miles away, if it even made it to ground in 1 piece. It 100% wasn't any 'craft'.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 6/10/23 at 12:35 pm to
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northern Italy


Older article, but pertinent

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All UFO Disclosure Roads Lead To Rome

14 Dec

Written by Christopher Sharp - 14 December 2021


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Two bodies allegedly lay on a table. They look like twins. They’re dead and preserved with formaldehyde. The bodies are in bad shape. They look like victims of a bad car accident – but the heads remain intact. But their features trouble a French biologist invited to study the bodies. Two males, very tall (around 7ft), long blonde hair, very high and spacious foreheads, clear blue eyes that look somewhat Asiatic, small noses, small mouths, small chins, thin lips, very clear pale skin, but no signs of facial hair. Their hands, although slender are human-like, their toes are small and their feet flat. The story gets weirder. Their skin appears perfectly white but shows no signs of keratin granules, which play an important role in providing natural moisturization for the skin, in addition to UV protection, and water retention. Startlingly, the biologist discovered that their lymphatic systems were dominant and practically replaced the blood system, providing a high degree of protection from any disease. They were not human, at least as we know it. That’s at least how the story goes. There are two accounts of these alleged recovered bodies within Wright-Patterson, which inform this story. The first was from William Brophy, whose father claimed to have seen the bodies when serving as a Lieutenant Colonel in the United States Air Force (USAF). Brophy claimed that his father told him the story, among those of other UAP encounters whilst serving in the USAF. The second account is from UAP researcher Leonard Stringfield, who told the story of the French biologist in his 1982 book, named ‘UFO Crash/Retrievals: Amassing the Evidence: Status Report III’. U.S. officials allegedly confirmed to the French biologist that the bodies were not human and were of extraterrestrial origin. After much hesitancy and many years, the biologist decided to tell his story, and his account was picked up by Stringfield.


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1933, Italy - A Strange Craft Crashes

The bodies allegedly came from a UAP crash (according to Brophy’s account), which occurred long before Roswell. They were apparently recovered in 1933, in Lombardy, Italy, where a mysterious craft had crashed. Location of the crash, outside the Italian city of Milan Italy’s leader, Benito Mussolini took all measures to silence the witnesses and classified the craft as top secret. Documents released from Mussolini’s office support claims of a cover-up. The media was not to report on what had happened and information would not be shared with any scientific institution.

Mussolini’s next priority was to study the craft. Italy’s top scientists and engineers were assembled to form a top-secret group, supposedly headed by the celebrated engineer Guglielmo Marconi, inventor of the radio.

Initially, no one (including Mussolini) strongly believed the craft was of extraterrestrial origin. The most widely held belief was that it was German. After all, the bodies retrieved had a strong resemblance to Germans, with their blue eyes and blonde hair.

Furthermore, Germany possessed the world’s greatest scientists and engineers, capable of developing new wonder weapons. This perhaps (at least partially, if true) explains why Mussolini (after some hesitancy) may have decided to ally with Germany in World War Two.

Although strongly suspected as German, the Italians always referred to the craft’s origin as ‘unknown’ (as stated in documents), meaning nothing conclusive could ever be proved.

So, how did the United States military gain possession of the alleged bodies and craft?




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Enter Stage Right, The Vatican.

Initially, relations between Mussolini and the Vatican were very good, with the Italian leader healing wounds following the 1870s conflict between Italy and the Papal State. This led Mussolini to confide with Pope Pius XII about the retrieved unknown craft. However, the Pope later became uneasy about the craft being in Italian possession, as Mussolini’s Italy grew closer and eventually allied with Adolf Hitler’s Third Reich. The Pope acted on his misgivings, leading to information about the craft apparently being leaked to the USA from the Vatican. Due to the Vatican’s intervention, the alleged facility (which supposedly held the craft) was spared the wrath of allied air bombings during the war, despite all other nearby facilities being heavily targeted throughout northern Italy. After the war, the craft was allegedly brought to the USA, where it supposedly remains today. Lue Elizondo, in an interview with Max Moszkowicz, gave some credence to this story, stating he had seen documents from Mussolini’s office, which he described as “compelling”, before speculating (as per the story) that parts of the craft were brought to the USA. A source who works in the aerospace industry told Liberation Times that he is 60/40 certain that something was recovered from Italy following World War Two. This source provided his opinion regarding the potential significance of the craft’s alleged retrieval, stating: “I don’t see the Italian 1933 craft as a typical UAP like we have documented in many other sightings. It was not powered by gravity manipulation or inter-dimensional technology. I think this was a vehicle powered by jet engines and rockets and shaped like a flying wing, like the designs of the Horten brothers. It was meant to be reverse-engineered by the Axis powers to gain a technical advantage. What reason would an NHI have for gifting such technology to the Axis? Your guess is as good as mine, but it was not for benign purposes. What happened to this craft? My guess is it was taken by the Americans since we got there before the Soviets. Or it could have been destroyed. It certainly would have helped with our rapid advances in rocketry, jet technology, and our newfound interest in flying wings such as the YB-35 and the YB-49, eventually leading to the B-2.” Thus, we have a staggering apparent crash retrieval case that pre-dates Roswell and involves retrieved bodies. We can prove the documents from Mussolini are real. But other parts of the story remain speculation based on anecdotal accounts. But the case represents only the beginning of Italy’s historic encounters with UAP in the modern era.


The fringe has even speculated that Patton was aware (and it contributed to his demise)

Another synchronicity for TPA
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 2:20 am to


Weird, wild, stuff…
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 2:52 am to
That sounds like an episode from Dr Who.

Bigger on the inside
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 5:57 am to
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sounds like an episode from Dr Who


I was thinking that also
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