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re: Two things can be true at the same time
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Extremely irrelevant to the shove, I might add
So fellow LEO being attacked under similar circumstances don’t factor at all?
It is one thing to disconnect emotionally. It is another thing to operate absent of logic.
At this point, you are suggesting that LEO assume that she isn’t hiding a weapon, despite the recent (and VERY localized) attacks on their fellow LEO?
That’s a bold strategy Cotton.
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Those words only apply to that case
What??
Lower courts must apply current Supreme Court law, not outdated doctrine.
It’s why Barnes v. Felix applies to pending excessive-force cases
It prevents courts from “freezing” the law for certain defendants
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:51 pm to jimmy the leg
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So fellow LEO being attacked under similar circumstances don’t factor at all?
To permitting force? Unlikely
If they do, there are much more pertinent facts relevant to the totality analysis (which I already covered).
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At this point, you are suggesting that LEO assume that she isn’t hiding a weapon,
No.
They would be permitted a Terry stop to check for that after detention.
They don't just get to go up and assault her
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:54 pm to BCreed1
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What??
If an entire incident is only 2 seconds long, is LEO limited to that 2 second window to justify using force?
Yes or no.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 5:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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pertinent facts relevant
So fellow LEO being assaulted isn’t pertinent?
Well okay then.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:01 pm to jimmy the leg
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So fellow LEO being assaulted isn’t pertinent?
To use force against a subject currently not a threat who isn't interfering? Not really
Why would it be?
Her actual threat level in the moment is much more important, don't you agree?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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not a threat who isn't interfering
What’s under her coat?
How close was she?
At what point is she “too close?”
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If an entire incident is only 2 seconds long, is LEO limited to that 2 second window to justify using force?
Cool attempt. The incident started when people showed up to the location of a lawful arrest being made.
It's why they used the language they did.
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You cannot "hermetically seal off" the final moment from the context that created it. If an officer knows a suspect has been acting violently for 10 minutes, that 10-minute history is part of the "split-second" decision-making process.
You are attempting to do this. And SCOTUS says you can not.
They clarified that a "split-second judgment" is often the result of several minutes of "developing events." Therefore, looking at those preceding minutes is not hindsight; it is simply looking at the "totality" of the officer's knowledge.
See those words... EVENT?? no no no.... EVENTS
As asked...How long had she been there? How many interactions with her? What other events add to the TOTALITY of events?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:10 pm to jimmy the leg
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What’s under her coat?
How close was she?
At what point is she “too close?”
What else had she already done?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:12 pm to UptownJoeBrown
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The problem is the liberals want you to think this happened:
?
And a certain percentage believe it. That’s dangerous.
That execution took guts and resolve. CBP backshooting a guy on the ground is the most pussy move ever.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:12 pm to jimmy the leg
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What’s under her coat?
Was she reaching for her coat?
If not, that's what Terry stops are for
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How close was she?
Feet away. Farther than arms distance
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At what point is she “too close?”
Without a weapon and not approaching?
What do you think is a reasonable threat?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What do you think is a reasonable threat?
That depends upon the circumstances.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:15 pm to jimmy the leg
Jimmy thinks it’s procedure to just go around knocking the shite out of women you find suspicious
Goddam man, grow a spine
Goddam man, grow a spine
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:18 pm to BCreed1
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Cool attempt.
It's not an attempt. It's a hypothetical.
You want to do legal analysis, here is your shot.
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If an entire incident is only 2 seconds long, is LEO limited to that 2 second window to justify using force?
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You are attempting to do this.
No. I'm discussing a short incident. It's 2 very different things.
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is often the result of several minutes of "developing events.
Key word: often
Not always
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:19 pm to jimmy the leg
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That depends upon the circumstances.
Reasonable circumstances or your "the suspect may be hiding weapons under any clothing" circumstances?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Reasonable circumstances or your "the suspect may be hiding weapons under any clothing" circumstances?
With violent leftist protestors in Minneapolis?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:28 pm to Ag Zwin
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You can be for the strategy and enforcement while also admitting mistakes in execution.
Agree, but there were no mistakes in execution these last two weeks. Pretti-Good were a pair of liberal dumbasses whose got themselves killed engaging in liberal dumbassery.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:31 pm to jimmy the leg
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With violent leftist protestors in Minneapolis?
Your standard would have to apply to everyone
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Your standard would have to apply to everyone
Everyone.
So everyone is attacking ICE?
Who knew?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 6:44 pm to jimmy the leg
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So everyone is attacking ICE?
Sounds like you're working out why you're wrong on your own. Good job.
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