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Tucker on FISA(before vote)

Posted on 4/13/24 at 4:36 am
Posted by Padme
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Posted on 4/13/24 at 4:36 am
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The U.S. House is expected to vote Friday on a two-year extension of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, commonly known as FISA. This transcript has been edited for length and reprinted with permission from Tucker Carlson.

A few years ago, we learned conclusively that, in fact, the FBI and the federal intel agencies—the dozen or more federal intel agencies we have, for some reason—had been working secretly against Donald Trump’s presidential campaign.

Trump had whispered about this, then shouted about it, was roundly denounced as a conspiracy nut, a lunatic. But in the end, he was vindicated. It was true.

These agencies spied on Trump, and they leaked some of what they learned to the media, which used it against Trump. Then these agencies concocted false stories about Trump. They tried to crush Trump completely in 2016 and then for the entire course of his presidency. Then they did the same thing in 2020 during the presidential election.

And they’re doing it still. They’re trying to put him in prison for the rest of his life. So if we take three steps back, what you have here is what we’re seeing now.

For the third time in three consecutive cycles, secretive federal agencies are trying to rig our presidential election. This is what the Democrats refer to as democracy, and they’re trying to defend it. But of course, it’s the opposite of democracy. It’s, in fact, the end of democracy in any semblance of a constitutional republic we ever had.

If you have a secret police force threatening people, spying on them, and working secretly the levers of political power, then you don’t have a democracy. You have no control over really anything as a voter.

So if there’s one thing the Republican Party, the opposition party, should be doing in response to this, right now, it’s fighting back against this descent into totalitarianism. They should be working to return freedom and democracy to the country. They should defend the Constitution. They should rein in these agencies, Washington secret police.

But you will not be surprised to learn they’ve been busy doing just the opposite. So if you’re wondering why no one is going to prison for any of this, now that we know what actually happened, well, the reason is in part a law called FISA, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, has been around a long time.

Sen. Teddy Kennedy first proposed it, by the way, back in the mid-1970s. And that law allows the federal government to spy without a warrant on foreigners outside the borders of the country. The idea is bad people are doing bad things against us. We need to know what they are, and we can’t bother to go to a court to get a warrant every time we want to know, but it will never be used against American citizens. Well, of course, now we know it has been at scale.

That law, FISA, has made it possible. So that law is now up for reauthorization in the House of Representatives. And amazingly, the new speaker of the House, Mike Johnson of Louisiana, has spent the last couple of weeks doing all he can to get that law reauthorized.

In other words, to allow the federal agencies to continue to spy upon and punish people who disagree with them. In other words, Mike Johnson’s own party. Republicans, Trump voters. Mike Johnson has been working to do that, and that effort failed [Wednesday] because members of Congress heard from their constituents or came to their senses, saw the truth in a dream.

Whatever happened, they stopped Mike Johnson from doing that for the moment. So that’s a good thing. And you ought to be celebrating. And even if you didn’t know it was happening—and a lot of people didn’t because it got very little media coverage. But of course, this is a temporary victory. Like all bad things, like that Chlamydia you got in a hot tub in Cabo in college, it will come back.

This attempt to spy on you, an American citizen, without a warrant because you’ve been politically disobedient. Why will it come back? Because it’s what they really care about. And so, before it does come back, it’s worth just a very quick autopsy.

What just happened? What do we just see so we can learn a couple of important lessons?

The first lesson we’re going to learn is that a lot of powerful people in the Congress are liars. They lie without shame, in fact, with pride. And they do so at the behest of or because of blackmail instituted by the intel agencies. And at the head of that list would be the chairman of the House intel committee, Mike Turner of Ohio.

We’re going to play a clip from Mike Turner of Ohio saying exactly the opposite of what is true here. Is Mike Turner reassuring you that face, it would never, under the face of law, the U.S. government would never be allowed to spy on you without a war, because that’s unconstitutional. It never happened. It never will happen. And if you think otherwise, you’re probably one of those UFO-believing nutjobs who want to stop doing ayahuasca.

Here’s House intel committee, pawn of the intel agencies, Mike Turner of Ohio:

They are—we are not surveilling foreigners in the United States. We’re not surveilling Americans, United States. Those individuals who say that is a warrantless search of Americans’ data are just not telling the truth. These are foreigners abroad. They’re a select group of individuals who are a national security threat. If you’re an American and you’re corresponding with ISIS, yes. If we’re, if we’re spying on ISIS, your communications are going to be captured. And you would want us to do that. All Americans would want us to try to to make certain that we keep ourselves safe from these terrorist, outside terrorist groups, organizations. We are not spying on Americans. This is not a warrantless surveillance program. This is foreigners who are abroad only.

Every word of that a lie. And we don’t need to guess. And I hate to use that pronoun, but I specifically don’t need to guess, because that actually happened to me.

The [National Security Agency] broke into my text messages, read them, passed them to news organizations in order to discredit me, and then admitted that they did that. They spied on me and they did it under FISA because I was daring to text with a foreigner outside our borders.

So Mike Turner knows that, he’s the chairman of the intel committee. He knows he’s lying, but he’s doing it anyway because it’s that important to preserve that core power.

If you have the power to spy on someone and then to leak the information that you gather or manipulated and then leak it in order to control that person, that’s a major power. In fact, that’s a bigger power than any voter in this country has. And so he’s acting on their behalf when he lies to you. And so it shouldn’t surprise you that they want to keep that power.

They want to keep it so badly that over the last week, U.S. government officials did something that may not have precedent in Washington. They lobbied members of Congress directly. They, in the words they used in Washington, they whipped the bill.

Officials from the Department of Justice called, among others, [Rep.] Chip Roy of Texas to demand that he vote for FISA reauthorization.

Imagine that—DOJ, Department of Justice, the federal law enforcement agency, called Chip Roy and said, “You got to do this.” Think about that.

Is there any group in this country more powerful than the Department of Justice? They can put you in jail, and they’ve shown a willingness to do that. They could put kiddy porn on your computer. They’ve probably done that too. And everybody who serves in Congress knows that, and everybody’s afraid of them—along with the CIA and NSA and a bunch of other, …
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Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
4981 posts
Posted on 4/13/24 at 4:51 am to
We created a weapon during the Cold War. W. Bush amplified it after 9/11 and Obama fully turned it inward. It has to be ended. These intelligence agencies have to be shut down. They will always need another war and will continue to create them, if not abroad then right here at home. Unelected officials are not supposed to have the power these agencies do.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11069 posts
Posted on 4/13/24 at 5:48 am to
The intelligence community had all the information it needed to prevent 9/11 and it failed. Since then we've handed them more and more power. We've been in constant war with American servicemembers killed overseas, we've spent trillions, we've ruined relationships around the globe, created a surveillance state at home, sanctioned constitutional violations, and seen the intelligence and law enforcement communities weaponized against the People and dissenting political views. And after all the shenanigans and lawlessness have been exposed, they demand more power, more money, and more compliance, with no accountability.

The Executive has now labeled the 4th Amendment a threat to national security. The US Attorney General called members of Congress to tell them to vote against following the Constitution.

The intelligence community demands compliance and threatens us with existential crises from abroad that will gravely harm our nation if they are not given unlimited power to probe into the lives of Americans at their whim, without due process or consequence for violating the rights of Americans, and they say virtually nothing about the border and make no demands to secure our border despite knowing with absolute certainty that it presents an existential threat to the nation.

In all of this, the Judiciary has functioned as a rubber stamp for government malfeasance.

Your government is at war - against you. Against your country. Against your Constitution.

The amendment put forth (by Andy Biggs of AZ) to force a warrant before searches on Americans was put to a vote and Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, cast the deciding vote that denied passage.

The Constitution was put in place to restrain the government and the government has purposefully broken those chains and violated the rights of Americans. We have a lawless, illegitimate government. People bemoan this state of affairs, but will they vote, once and for all, to force it to change?
Posted by LSUSUPERSTAR
TX
Member since Jan 2005
16307 posts
Posted on 4/13/24 at 6:23 am to
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We have a lawless, illegitimate government. People bemoan this state of affairs, but will they vote, once and for all, to force it to change?


When this happens, voting can't fix it. Good people will need to do bad things to reset the course.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11069 posts
Posted on 4/13/24 at 6:46 am to
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When this happens, voting can't fix it. Good people will need to do bad things to reset the course.


I saw a video on the Our Country Our Choice youtube channel and a guy said that somewhere in the past they talked about four boxes that people had available to them to rectify problems in government: soap box, ballot box, jury box, cartridge box.

I'm trying to get people to see that the ballot box is the best way to go. If it goes to the cartridge box, that's going to be really ugly for all of us.

I believe the ballot box is still available to us. If we fail to use it appropriately this November, then it may never again be available to us. We are on a bad trajectory.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
4361 posts
Posted on 4/13/24 at 6:48 am to
At a minimum, any reauthorization should have legislation attached that does two things:

First, the use of third-party agencies and contractors having access to the NSA database (and others) should be halted immediately and permanently.

Second, the FISA judges and DOJ/FBI personnel involved in the intentional circumvention of constitutional Rights (of which there are many, many examples of 4th Amendment violations) should be removed with prejudice …. and have all government security clearances permanently revoked.

This post was edited on 4/13/24 at 6:57 am
Posted by faraway
Member since Nov 2022
1981 posts
Posted on 4/13/24 at 7:15 am to
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I believe the ballot box is still available to us. If we fail to use it appropriately this November, then it may never again be available to us. We are on a bad trajectory.
grief, dude. the nation has long been lost. it's bad enough you pretend you have a chance at potus. the entire conversation is predicated on the obvious reality that voting is meaningless.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53269 posts
Posted on 4/13/24 at 7:19 am to
The intel agencies are corrupt trash.
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A U.S. court found that the FBI improperly searched for information in a U.S. database of foreign intelligence 278,000 times over several years, including on Americans suspected of crimes, according to a ruling released on Friday.

The decision by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court was released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI).

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How bad is warrantless spying by our government? Pretty bad. Last April, Inspector General Michael Horowitz testified that in 2021 (the most recent year for which data is available) U.S. intelligence agencies made more than 3.4 million search queries of the NSA database and that of these, about 30 percent were “non-compliant searches,” which means they fell outside the normal rules and regulations. In other words, they were illegal. Horowitz also revealed that the number of federal government employees who have the ability to conduct these illegal searches is more than 10,000.

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Posted by Dawg7730
Member since Mar 2021
1827 posts
Posted on 4/13/24 at 7:20 am to
The very nature of government is to seize power, thus the need for a constitution to protect the citizens. To the dismay of many idiots, the government has no feelings and does not care about you.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53269 posts
Posted on 4/13/24 at 7:33 am to
This made me laugh.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11069 posts
Posted on 4/13/24 at 7:47 am to
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grief, dude. the nation has long been lost. it's bad enough you pretend you have a chance at potus. the entire conversation is predicated on the obvious reality that voting is meaningless.


If this is your attitude then just cash out everything you have, get some hookers, some blow, some fentanyl, and ride the wave until it all comes down. The rest of us are going to stay in this. You can rejoin whenever you'd like.
Posted by Tandemjay
Member since Jun 2022
2389 posts
Posted on 4/13/24 at 7:50 am to
Stop voting GOPe.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57916 posts
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:03 am to
Tucker has a way with words. It’s amazing, but not surprising that the DOJ would intimidate people to vote for the bill.
This post was edited on 4/13/24 at 9:05 am
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30587 posts
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:23 am to
Charlie Kirk had a rep on yesterday who said Johnson told them to all go to a SCIF to see why they should vote to renew it. Lo and behold, it passed.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57916 posts
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:51 am to
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Charlie Kirk had a rep on yesterday who said Johnson told them to all go to a SCIF to see why they should vote to renew it. Lo and behold, it passed.



I wouldn’t put it past the Deep State to create fake intelligence to show them in order to sway votes.
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