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re: Trump’s plan for student loans is solid

Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:40 am to
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:40 am to
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Proof he was not simply referring to lazy rivers and ornate facilities:
He’s actually right either the exception of tech fields.

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You’re projecting
Hence the accent on *think*. Good grief.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:40 am to
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Just more evidence you don’t understand the buzzwords you are using
Uh-huh.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44441 posts
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:41 am to
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nobody is forced to eat food either, but it makes survival a lot easier.



That's a rather stupid comparison to make.

Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8973 posts
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:42 am to
Focus on helping yourself and try reading that definition one more time. Real carefully. When risk is removed and individuals are protected from the consequences of their actions, moral hazard is created. Not lost.
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
14114 posts
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:42 am to
The plan has more to do with fixing higher education to refocus it on preparing students for real world jobs instead of teaching theories.


But thanks for proving that you dont care about his substance, you’ll just complain no matter what.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:43 am to
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Its in the plan


And my response is still:

frick. No.

Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8973 posts
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:45 am to
Nearly every field that we want people pursuing is a tech field. Engineering, accounting, economics, mathematics, biology, marketing, etc; nearly all science and business careers are heavenly integrated in technology now. The degrees that aren’t tech heavy are the gender studies and literature degrees that we want people moving away from. That’s the point.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 10:53 am
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:50 am to
A century ago, universities recruited from a small group of elite and well educated students. As a consequence, they were fairly brutal.

They did produce astonishingly smart men though.

Our decision to expand our university system changed that. Colleges dropped standards to accommodate an influx of people who were less prepared, but also, simply, less capable.

The people who could benefit from academic brutality, they no longer get it. And the rise of pseudo sciences, academically suspect majors has only worsened the situation in higher education.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 10:53 am
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:52 am to
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Where did you go to university?



UNA and TTU

Auditorium style classrooms tend to be pretty nice but upper level courses have smaller class sizes and shittier rooms. Hard to make a room with 40 computers in it very nice
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8973 posts
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:52 am to
That’s a very, very different argument than saying we use too much technology
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:10 am to
Technology is part of the problem. As the quality of education has declined, which is to a degree inexorable, we’ve focused on adding technology rather than looking at the substantive issues.

Can technology improve the quality of education? For he most part, no, not all. And any time and money is simply a waste.

It’s only useful in technical fields. Such as commerce, math, or the sciences. And there it is both a time saver and functional prerequisite.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44441 posts
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:11 am to
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UNA


This explains so much.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:12 am to
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A century ago, universities recruited from a small group of elite and well educated students. As a consequence, they were fairly brutal.

They did produce astonishingly smart men though.

Our decision to expand our university system changed that. Colleges dropped standards to accommodate an influx of people who were less prepared, but also, simply, less capable.



I see your point but they didnt lower standards out of kindness.. they wanted to expand their customer base and lowering the standards created that influx
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 11:16 am
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:17 am to
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This explains so much.



The things we do for girls

Believe it or not college bmy was dead set on joining the airforce had his paperwork turned in and everything. Ended up passing over LSU and the airforce for UNA
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 11:21 am
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:19 am to
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I see your point but they didnt lower standards out of kindness.. they wanted to expand their customer base


I would absolutely agree. I think there’s a societal cost though.

My primary focus is foreign policy and the people working in the field - it’s bad. They don’t read or speak the languages. And they don’t know the histories of these peoples. They also don’t appear to be particularly interested in rectifying these problems.

They don’t understand how little they know.

The old men, who admittedly have the advantage of experience, are qualitatively better. And I think a lot of that has to do with receiving very rigorous educations.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62653 posts
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:19 am to
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Focus on helping yourself and try reading that definition one more time. Real carefully. When risk is removed and individuals are protected from the consequences of their actions, moral hazard is created. Not lost.
Not to the individual. But I understand why you’d prefer to argue the semantics rather than the concept.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62653 posts
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:23 am to
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Nearly every field that we want people pursuing is a tech field. Engineering, accounting, economics, mathematics, biology, marketing, etc; nearly all science and business careers are heavenly integrated in technology now.
Meh. You don’t really need tech for basic engineering concepts. You don’t learn heat transfer and fluid dynamics by using CFD software, for example. That’s backwards.

I see it a lot. People that know how to use software to create completely incorrect answers to problems because they they don’t understand the underlying concepts the software is using.

They sure make pretty pictures though.

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The degrees that aren’t tech heavy are the gender studies and literature degrees that we want people moving away from.
Seems like removing the subsidies would be more effective than buying nicer facilities for those degrees.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 11:39 am
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:33 am to
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I would absolutely agree. I think there’s a societal cost though.

My primary focus is foreign policy and the people working in the field - it’s bad. They don’t read or speak the languages. And they don’t know the histories of these peoples. They also don’t appear to be particularly interested in rectifying these problems.

They don’t understand how little they know.

The old men, who admittedly have the advantage of experience, are qualitatively better. And I think a lot of that has to do with receiving very rigorous educations


There is no real substitute for experience or for the perspective you get from it.. and it's a little horrifying to try and walk in the foot steps of giants. Take it easy on them

... but if they are ignorant on those core topics.. what did they learn?
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:47 am to
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but if they are ignorant on those core topics.. what did they learn?


I took some of the same classes, per major requirements.

One was a 12 person seminar on Insurgency. The syllabus looked great, TE Lawrence, Mao.

Unfortunately, we spent most of our time reading poly sci papers.

Here’s an example.

Lawrence talks about the ideal environment for a counter insurgent. It’s a desert Island. It’s surrounded by water, so resupply is difficult. And it’s a desert, so there’s no natural cover. What is the ideal environment for an insurgent? A jungle, close to the border, with a safe zone just on the other side of the line, where you can rest, train, and reequip.

It’s all deadly simple and something you can communicate with just a few words. It’s also something that seems almost unnecessary to write, because it’s so obvious.

This damn paper was 18 pages of inscrutable academic language, and graphs. Lots of graphs.

They had taken a simple idea, and obscured it behind thousands of words, and pictures.

What the professor wanted us to do, was to understand Lawrence’s point, but more importantly, to be able to write a similar paper.

This is the sort of material they spend their college careers studying.
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8973 posts
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:47 am to
Semantics? :lol: :lol:

You applied the term incorrectly. When I called you on it you doubled down. When I corrected your double down you tripled down. When I corrected your triple down you quadrupled down. When I corrected your quadruple down you quintupled down.


When you are wrong about the same thing 5 times in a row, it’s not a matter of semantics. You just don’t understand the thing.
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