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re: Trump: We're not bound to 'one China' policy
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:54 pm to boosiebadazz
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:54 pm to boosiebadazz
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So Clinton was going to agitate Russia and Trump is going to agitate China. Guess we had to choose one or the other one day.
1. Clinton was going to agitate Russia over a war that is already lost. The US has zero options in Syria. Russia is also killing lots of guys we don't like either.
2. China has long been the aggressor. Obama himself shifted massive amounts of forces to the region to counter China although he did it in the tippy toe round about way of appearing to do something without taking the risk of actually doing anything that defines his foreign policy.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:55 pm to boosiebadazz
Isn't the same true of Russia, who has geopolitical ambitions to restore its sphere of influence in Eastern Europe and Central Asia, and has actually acted on those interests in recent years?
Chinese interests are more internal, as they have had uneven development in the country, and have restless populations in their western portion. They have terroritorial claims in the South China Sea, along with Vietnam, the Phillipines, Malaysia, Cambodia, Thailand, Indonesia and Taiwan. The most they have projected power outside of that area is a burgeoning relationship with Pakistan (see the book The China-Pakistan Axis) in an attempt to prevent the problems in Central Asia from spilling over into Xinjiang. This is also an attempt to cut India off from Russia (one of India's closest allies) as well as to replace the US as one of Pakistan's allies.
For me the threat between Russia and China is even, and we should do all we can to play them against one another, as they are historically opposed.
Chinese interests are more internal, as they have had uneven development in the country, and have restless populations in their western portion. They have terroritorial claims in the South China Sea, along with Vietnam, the Phillipines, Malaysia, Cambodia, Thailand, Indonesia and Taiwan. The most they have projected power outside of that area is a burgeoning relationship with Pakistan (see the book The China-Pakistan Axis) in an attempt to prevent the problems in Central Asia from spilling over into Xinjiang. This is also an attempt to cut India off from Russia (one of India's closest allies) as well as to replace the US as one of Pakistan's allies.
For me the threat between Russia and China is even, and we should do all we can to play them against one another, as they are historically opposed.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:56 pm to pecxs
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This post was edited on 6/14/20 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:57 pm to boosiebadazz
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We've worked well with them when we were the clear hegemonic power and they were simply trying to get their shite in order. However, they've entered a new phase of trying to project power and become a hegemon in their own right, so we will be more directly opposed to them than we have been in the past.
Little brother is growing up and we're about to have to duke it out in the front yard
China WILL be the eastern hemisphere's hegemonic power within a generation baring a war with United States. We simply cannot "win" a peace with them.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:58 pm to boosiebadazz
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Lil Kim is going to be their punitive response to Trump rocking the globalism boat.
How would it be punitive? What exactly will NK do? Saber-rattling and then be assuaged with shipments of food and supplies? The NK situation is a catastrophe waiting to happen, as the flood of refugees that will occur if NK regime falls will make the Syrian situation look banal.
This post was edited on 12/11/16 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 12/11/16 at 5:00 pm to joshnorris14
Trump is a goddamn idiot and its just keep getting clearer and clearer everyday.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 5:05 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
So we need to trade as equals then. Again, I don't mind Trump re-positioning us in trade with China. It goes hand in hand with Obama's pivot as well. China will be our main rival for our generation. Russia is trying to get back to the hegemonic table, but we need to force Western Europe to be the main counterbalance to that and we can be backup. We need to confront China head on and this is a good step in doing so.
But like any change and conflict, there will be some flare ups and chaos while finding a new equilibrium.
But like any change and conflict, there will be some flare ups and chaos while finding a new equilibrium.
This post was edited on 12/11/16 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 12/11/16 at 5:09 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:I agree with all of this. Russia should be Europe's problem. China cam be the hegemonic power in the east unless they start threatening our freedom of navigation or try to prevent us from trading with other Asian nations.
So we need to trade as equals then. Again, I don't mind Trump re-positioning us in trade with China. It goes hand in hand with Obama's pivot as well. China will be our main rival for our generation. Russia is trying to get back to the hegemonic table, but we need to force Western Europe to be the main counterbalance to that and we can be backup. We need to confront China head on and this is a good step in doing so.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 5:12 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
In order to moderate China's claims, we need to do what we can to encourage Japan to rebuild its military, to serve as a bulwark against China, the same way we need the EU to serve as the bulwark to Russia.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 5:33 pm to boosiebadazz
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But Chinese economic policy is having more of a negative effect on the American economy than Russian economic policy is.
But we do a lot more business with China than we do with Russia. China is now our largest trading partner (fluctuating with Canada). Russia isn't in the Top 15. Why the frick should we ally with a country we barely do business with rather than our #1 trading partner?
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I still think China retaliates by letting North Korea more off the leash. Don't be surprised to see more overt provocation from Lil Kim due to tacit Chinese approval of such as layback for Trump tightening the screws on them. China can't afford a direct confrontation with the US, so they'll use their best proxy.
No. China hates that fat turd and have been distancing themselves with North Korea. The media openly calls Kim Jong Un "King Fatty the Third" and "King Fatty Fat Fat". They're not fans of him since all he can do is frick up their trade deals.
This post was edited on 12/11/16 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 12/11/16 at 5:35 pm to joshnorris14
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Trump: We're not bound to 'one China' policy
Good.
China needs to be pushed back quite a bit. There's been an epidemic of cyber attacks and corporate espionage over the past few years and it needs to be brought under heel yesterday.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 5:38 pm to crazy4lsu
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I'd still rather work with the Chinese, a country we've worked rather hard to liberalize, and by and large, have succeeded in doing so.
Yep. Thanks to our relations with them, China will be a democracy by 2040. Gen Y loves America and seek to emulate us. Almost no one 35 and under really admires Mao.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 5:40 pm to OMLandshark
quote:So like the opposite of America?
Gen Y loves America and seek to emulate us. Almost no one 35 and under really admires Mao.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 9:54 pm to OMLandshark
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Thanks to our relations with them, China will be a democracy by 2040.
That's unfortunately a wee bit optimistic.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 10:03 pm to DavidTheGnome
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newfound peace with Russia
don´t think this has happened. I wouldn´t say relations have been tremendously bellic, simply at odds.
You have no fact as to Russia being an ally. I think Trump will look for detante, and possible understanding.
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antagonistic towards China.
They hold a shite ton of US debt, but also depend upon this market. There is much to be discussed.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 10:38 pm to Dandy Lion
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They hold a shite ton of US debt
If I owe you 100 and can't pay I have a problem.
If I owe you trillions of dollars and can't pay you have a problem.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 6:40 am to oklahogjr
Regardless of who is president, if you think the US would stand for any Chinese military intervention in Taiwan, you are delusional. Any military moves by china would be met forcefully by the US Navy. The only real threat the Chinese have to project power is nuclear weapons. Even they aren't crazy enough to engage in a nuclear war to extend their influence in Asia.
What everyone needs to realize that despite the current state of our military due to 8 years of liberal rule, we are still the biggest boy on the playground. China cannot match our Naval forces and without that they cannot bring their super large army to bear in any useful manner. China cannot and will not get into any type of military engagement with the US.
What everyone needs to realize that despite the current state of our military due to 8 years of liberal rule, we are still the biggest boy on the playground. China cannot match our Naval forces and without that they cannot bring their super large army to bear in any useful manner. China cannot and will not get into any type of military engagement with the US.
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