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re: Trump vs DeSantis Covid response

Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:35 pm to
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:35 pm to
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Everybody sees that.


I'll just let your posts make my points for me, Jjobama.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:42 pm to
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I'll just let your posts make my points for me,


That's awesome. I'm sure they were without your permission.


After slightly reopening... This was still in place and noted by people entering the state:


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That reopening isn't intended for people immediately arriving in the state from New York, Connecticut or New Jersey, though. Upon disembarking flights at the airport, those travelers must quarantine for 14 days or the duration of their stay, whichever is shorter. Failure to do so can cost a person $500, a 60-day imprisonment or both.



LINK


In fact... It was so bad...


People finally got a PARDON in summer of 2021!



Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21794 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:43 pm to
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I'll just let your posts make my points for me, Jjobama.

It’s more than a little ironic that only-Trumpers are heaping shite on DeSantis for following Trump administration guidance on COVID response.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:45 pm to
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It’s more than a little ironic that only-Trumpers are heaping shite on DeSantis for following Trump administration guidance on COVID response.


One had the obligation to offer guidance based on what was happening. And obligation to Guidance is all the power he had.

The others had the power in the state to do so and NOBODY forced them to do it. Show me WHERE he was forced to lock down because I can show you 7 states that NEVER issued those stay at home orders.


If this is the game we are going to play with COVID, then we will damn sure play it.


Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:48 pm to
After all this, you found one case in Key West.

Sad.
Posted by NCIS_76
Member since Jan 2021
5246 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:49 pm to
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Am I wrong?


So you are saying a human can be wrong? Am I following this correctly?
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:54 pm to
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After all this, you found one case in Key West.

Sad.




No.. I have given you more than 1. And I gave you the fact that there were so many, that the STATE issued a BROAD Pardon in 2021!
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21794 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:59 pm to
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One had the obligation to offer guidance based on what was happening. And obligation to Guidance is all the power he had.

And the guidance was utter bullshite.

And you’re full of shite again - “guidance is all the lower he had”

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The others had the power in the state to do so and NOBODY forced them to do it. Show me WHERE he was forced to lock down because I can show you 7 states that NEVER issued those stay at home orders.

So like I said, you are critical of DeSantis for following the Trump administration’s guidance on COVID. You get that that’s retarded, right?

If you were rational, you’d be in here defending DeSantis and praising him for being wise enough to follow Trump’s guidance.

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If this is the game we are going to play with COVID, then we will damn sure play it.

What? lol

You’re flailing, jjdoc. Your boy fricked over the country on COVID and the idea that a shite load of people realize it kills you. And knowing that shite load is growing by the minute makes you irrational. Well, more irrational than usual.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 11:00 pm to
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I gave you the fact that there were so many


How many?

There was the one in Key West where you didn't mention the result. Then there was...well, that was it.
Posted by NCIS_76
Member since Jan 2021
5246 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 11:01 pm to
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Your boy fricked over the country on COVID


Who is YOUR boy?
You should be saying you’d take either one considering what YOU have in office now.
This post was edited on 3/2/23 at 11:05 pm
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
30940 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 11:08 pm to
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8 states did not issue stay at home orders in March '20

Desantis did. No wiggle room for him there


I give Asa zero credit for this. He's a POS. He knew we'd Clinton his arse if he tried, but at least he had sense enough to know that.

I canceled two trips to Florida because of Desantis lock downs. He can suck a dick. Too little too late.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21794 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 11:09 pm to
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Who is YOUR boy?

Believe it or not, some adults don’t hero worship on anyone.

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You should be saying you’d take either one considering what YOU have in office now.

What?
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 11:11 pm to
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And the guidance was utter bull shite.



Hindsight is a beautiful thing.


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And you’re full of shite again - “guidance is all the lower he had”


Then show the order to lock down from the President's desk and Pen David. Don;t use words... Link it.


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So like I said, you are critical of DeSantis for following the Trump administration’s guidance on COVID. You get that that’s retarded, right?


I have already made my opinion about Covid known. Like I stated. You want to play the covid card and game, we can.

In the end, It was DeSantis' choice (since you few are determined to walk that path) and he made it. Other states did not.

In the end, since you few demand the covid game, it was DeSantis who went to the WH to talk about reopening and it was DeSantis that reopened in stages as talked about at the WH.


So we still going to play this?


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If you were rational, you’d be in here defending DeSantis and praising him for being wise enough to follow Trump’s guidance.




Oh I am rational. But since you want to play the covid card, we will get Constitutional and all that jazz.

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You’re flailing, jjdoc. Your boy fricked over the country on COVID and the idea that a shite load of people realize it kills you. And knowing that shite load is growing by the minute makes you irrational. Well, more irrational than usual.



Nah. I'm not flailing and it's why you can not respond to the actual content David.



Did DeSantis lockdown his state?


Were People arrested when they broke those mandated by the pen of DeSantis orders?


It's real simple David. What I stated was fact.


- No order from Trump to lockdown because he lacked the authority and power.

- An Order from DeSantis because HE had the authority and the power.

- No order from 7 states... who also had that power.... but choose not to use it.


They arrested and fined so many people and businesses that he had to issue a broad PARDON in 2021.

Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 11:14 pm to
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Believe it or not, some adults don’t hero worship on anyone.


Poor excuse for an argument. It's your go to when you can not fight the facts.


I'm still waiting on the ORDER from Trump to lockdown.

You need one from DeSantis? I can link if you need to.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 11:15 pm to
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They arrested and fined
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broad PARDON


Posted by Jayrod79
Member since Apr 2019
627 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 11:15 pm to
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You’re flailing, jjdoc. Your boy fricked over the country on COVID and the idea that a shite load of people realize it kills you. And knowing that shite load is growing by the minute makes you irrational. Well, more irrational than usual


You are either ignorant or simply hard headed. DeSantis like any governor could have done whatever they wanted whenever they wanted with their respective states. Stop blaming Trump for others actions. Every state was unsure what to do about the plandemic. Trump is not a leader in infectious disease. Who was he supposed to take guidance from? You? Trump openly stated several times his opinion on medication that would help with the covid 19 virus that did not include the clot shot and was bucked at every turn. The media shut down every bit of info that was reliable on the virus and the vaccines. People were arrested for telling the truth. Trump could only make a recommendation based off what he was being told. The people who were supposed to keep you safe were lying it's pretty simple math. Your logic is if Trump told you to jump off a bridge and you did it its Trumps fault. In reality it's your fault for being a dumb arse.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 11:19 pm to
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You are either ignorant or simply hard headed.


No, he is resorting to "by any means". He needs it to be this way.

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DeSantis like any governor could have done whatever they wanted whenever they wanted with their respective states. Stop blaming Trump for others actions.


Correct.


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Every state was unsure what to do about the plandemic.





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Trump is not a leader in infectious disease. Who was he supposed to take guidance from? You?







Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21794 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 11:34 pm to
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Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

Not everyone is as stupid and/or weak as you, jjdoc. There were millions of adults who didn’t need hindsight to understand COVID for what it was in real time.

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Then show the order to lock down from the President's desk and Pen David. Don;t use words... Link it.

lol - because we’re all supposed to pretend that the only power that a could be wielded by the likes of POTUS in response to COVID was to lockdown. You are a clown.

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So we still going to play this?

About how Trump fricked up on COVID?

You act like I’m emotionally attached to something like your are Trump. Want to criticize DeSantis for following Trump guidance? Go ahead, I’m right there with you. He should have ignored Trump’s guidance.

But that doesn’t change the fact that Trump played a massively bigger role in the COVID shitshow than the Governor of one state that listened to Trump’s CDC and Trump’s Coronavirus task force.

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Did DeSantis lockdown his state? Were People arrested when they broke those mandated by the pen of DeSantis orders? It's real simple David. What I stated was fact.

How many times do I have to post this? I don’t live in Florida so I have no firsthand knowledge. You say RDS locked the state down and Floridians on here say he didn’t. And you have a history of posting bullshite, so it’s coin flip for me at this point.

My position is clear - for about the fifth time im this thread - if RDS followed Trump’s guidance and shut shite down, bad on him and I have no problem saying he deserves criticism for following Trump’s CDC/task force guidance.

Likewise, I hold Trump accountable for a much bigger role in the COVID shitshow.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21794 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 11:50 pm to
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You are either ignorant or simply hard headed. DeSantis like any governor could have done whatever they wanted whenever they wanted with their respective states. Stop blaming Trump for others actions.

You’re addressing this to the wrong guy. I have no problem holding RDS accountable for his administration’s response to COVID.

The disconnect here is your unwilling to hold Trump accountable for his administration’s COVID response.

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Trump is not a leader in infectious disease. Who was he supposed to take guidance from?

Being stupid isn’t a defense for a president. You didn’t have to be an infectious disease expert to have recognized the insanity of about 80% of what we saw from our governments re COVID.

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You?

Well I sure could have kept him from steering the country into the ditch. But what you’re pretending wasn’t the reality back then Is - there were plenty of people - experts in all sorts of related fields - that spoke out against Trump’s CDC and task force.

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Your logic is if Trump told you to jump off a bridge and you did it its Trumps fault. In reality it's your fault for being a dumb arse.

No. My logic is it’s Trump’s fault for jumping off a bridge because Fauci told him to. It is Trump’s fault for being a dumbass.

Isn’t it interesting that in the end, without realizing it you make my argument for me.
This post was edited on 3/2/23 at 11:51 pm
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 11:52 pm to
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Not everyone is as stupid and/or weak as you, jjdoc.


You usual go to when you have no argument.

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There were millions of adults who didn’t need hindsight to understand COVID for what it was in real time.


And what was that David? Are you saying Covid was not real to you? Not killing people? That it was an attack? That it was.... what David?


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Not everyone is as stupid and/or weak as you, jjdoc.


BTW.. Evidently there are... DESANTIS was one of them because he didn;t see it for what you claim. He locked down his state.


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lol - because we’re all supposed to pretend that the only power that a could be wielded by the likes of POTUS in response to COVID was to lockdown. You are a clown.


Did Trump lock down Fl or not? Show me the order David. That's all you have to do. Show me the order.

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You act like I’m emotionally attached to something like your are Trump. Want to criticize DeSantis for following Trump guidance? Go ahead, I’m right there with you. He should have ignored Trump’s guidance.


It was the guidance of the CDC. The CDC and Fauci never wanted states to reopen. Trump went against that and encouraged states to reopen in Early April!

Try again David. Here, let me help you. I'll give you the headlines so you can search for truth:

Trump blasts CDC guidelines in push to reopen schools

Trump White House won't issue detailed CDC guidelines for states, businesses on reopening
The CDC had drafted guidance but the administration says it's up to states.



White House Rejects C.D.C.’s Coronavirus Reopening Plan


As Trump pushes states to reopen, Fauci warns against lifting COVID-19 restrictions too soon

CDC says guidelines for reopening schools are 'not requirements' after Trump calls them 'impractical'



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How many times do I have to post this? I don’t live in Florida so I have no firsthand knowledge.


You have a search engine and it's capable of pulling up his order from the FL Gov website. We all know why you are going this route.


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ou say RDS locked the state down and Floridians on here say he didn’t.


No.. You know not one single person on here and where they live. I linked article after article with video footage.

You know the answer. You just won't say it.


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so it’s coin flip for me at this point.


No David. It's dishonesty.

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My position is clear - for about the fifth time im this thread - if RDS followed Trump’s guidance and shut shite down, bad on him and I have no problem saying he deserves criticism for following Trump’s CDC/task force guidance.


Then stop playing the covid card game.








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