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re: Trump says abortion should be left up to the states
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:44 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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The net result is the same if each state adopts measures.
But states like California won't.
You are much more likely to get California to adopt laws if other states have a successful 20-30 year track record of properly managing Healthcare and adoption.
Yelling at each other for 30 years doesn't allow precedent and track record to influence voters.
Good policy and time breeds more good policy.
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It is much more realistic and productive than trying to get 67% of congress on board.
Well it wouldn't take 67% to pass a law.
You don't get to pass a law if you don't get to vote on it.
Filibuster is still alive.
You basically need 67%.
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 7:45 am
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Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:45 am to SDVTiger
Is abortion taking a child’s life?
Yes or no
Yes or no
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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There are a large number of conservatives/Republicans
Yeah the 6% that voted for Ron = Adam Banks
They are the losers who arent serious about winning
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:46 am to SDVTiger
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They are the losers who arent serious about winning
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 7:49 am
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:47 am to meansonny
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State legislature is appropriate for defining what is proper healthcare and what is argued as a bad public policy.
I really dont consider "elective surgery" as a serious health care matter.
I do understand policy for people who medically need it.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:48 am to SDVTiger
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Yeah the 6% that voted for Ron
I mean Ron did have support of pro-life groups, but the Evangelicals LOVE them Trump. I doubt they supported Ron at all.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:49 am to SDVTiger
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Yeah the 6% that voted for Ron
You sure hate conservatism.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:50 am to Adam Banks
Not actually.gif
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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. I doubt they supported Ron at all.
Possibly in the end like everyone else
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You sure hate conservatism.
You are not a conservative
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 7:54 am
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:52 am to themunch
Is abortion taking a child’s life?
Yes or no.
Yes or no.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:55 am to SDVTiger
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Possibly in the end like everyone else
I don't think the Evangelical types switched over. It just wouldn't make sense.
This is something that I imagine you may not experience much given your location. I have had to talk about it with Bunk on occasion too.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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Trump's comments aren't about the Constitution.
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Amendment Ten to the Constitution was ratified on December 15, 1791. It makes clear that any powers that are not specifically given to the federal government, nor withheld from the states, are reserved to those respective states, or to the people at large.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 7:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I really dont consider "elective surgery" as a serious health care matter.
I do understand policy for people who medically need it
Good. Now convince your state legislators to vote your conscience.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:00 am to Tigerfan1274
It's a moral issue and, should only be used in extreme measures. I'd say, it's an opportunity to educate but that system has completely broken down.
Further decay.
Further decay.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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"Trump is telling the extreme side of the party to chill."
I agree. Some of the religious right need to get off their high horse and allow Trump to take a moderate position in order to sway the "Karens". They need to take a step back and think. "Will I be able to save more children or less under a Trump or a Biden administration?" Leaving it up to the States is the way the Founders would have wanted it. If anything I have said hurts your feelings it's because you are virtuing signaling.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:03 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Amendment Ten to the Constitution was ratified on December 15, 1791. It makes clear that any powers that are not specifically given to the federal government, nor withheld from the states, are reserved to those respective states, or to the people at large.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:03 am to Tigerfan1274
He worded that well. Abortion is only a topic still because the left needs it to be. The left largely consists of emotional voters and abortion tends to be an emotional topic. The accessibility of birth control and then also Plan B in a box at your nearest Walgreens couldn’t be any easier. Roe vs. Wade sent this back to the states. It’s no longer a federal issue, but the left’s gonna keep on trying. Fire up your base of ugly, angry women, you leftists!
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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I don't think the Evangelical types switched over. It just wouldn't make sense.
His camp and bot tards on here were posting all the time about all the Pastors and evangical support he had in Iowa
That clown rmnldr and TardonTheMountain said Ron would win because of them
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:04 am to Neutral Underground
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Some of the religious right need to get off their high horse and allow Trump to take a moderate position in order to sway the "Karens".
You are going to trigger the frick out of some baws on here.
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They need to take a step back and think. "Will I be able to save more children or less under a Trump or a Biden administration?"
I've made similar arguments for years. They don't care. They will claim this is an issue above politics and any acquiescence is supporting the murder of babies.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:05 am to SouthEasternKaiju
slo is going to turn this thread into cat aids, but before he does, I think its important to point out that a leader can have his own personal views on a subject, while understanding that his own views may not be legislatively or even politically realistic. Trump is after all, less an ideologue and more of a deal maker.
ETA: I think hardcore pro-lifers need to remember how the table was set to get us to this point. No other president, regardless of how they flaunted their "Christianity", has gotten the cause this far.
ETA: I think hardcore pro-lifers need to remember how the table was set to get us to this point. No other president, regardless of how they flaunted their "Christianity", has gotten the cause this far.
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 8:08 am
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