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re: Trump potentially doing a soft invasion into Mexico?
Posted on 12/24/24 at 6:38 am to Indefatigable
Posted on 12/24/24 at 6:38 am to Indefatigable
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Making an enemy of Mexico does sound unwise.
Mexico has shown not to be a friend in a very long time. What they've allowed the last four years tells us that they need to be knocked down a few pegs.
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Posted on 12/24/24 at 6:39 am to Penrod
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No, Mexico could do that.
They just tried and failed.
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It’s happening in El Salvador.
Not the same scale or difficulty.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 6:42 am to lake chuck fan
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We didn't occupy Columbia when we took out Escobar. S
Did taking out Escobar stop anything in the aggregate? Is cocaine from Colombia still flowing here 30+ years later?
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Same type of operation would work in Mexico.
The same thing would happen in Mexico, i.e., no real change long term.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 6:43 am to SmogkDeizKnutz
Pretty sure this has been done under other administrations. Son of a friend received live sniper training this way for the army.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 6:43 am to lake chuck fan
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Using small teams of highly trained special forces to selectively target cartel leadership and disrupt their operations isn't an invasion.
It is, but ignoring that, what would this do long term? Nothing.
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One thing we all agree on is that Mexico won't do anything to stop the cartels
They are recovering from the long civil war they just lost with the cartels.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 6:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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"The cartels" aren't these singular organizations who are rudderless if you take out leadership. They have shown for decades that if you take out one leadership group, another will form to replace them and takeover.
It's very similar to terrorist organizations. They're the snakes on Medusa's head, and taking them on will be as effective as the WOT was. Mexico just tried in what was effectively a civil war for a long time and no progress was made.
So just continue to do nothing?? Lol
We work with the Mexican government and keep chopping off heads!
Along with this action, Trump's DOJ needs to go after the corruption in this side of the border that has allowed the flow of drugs into our country.
We should consider the cartels bigger enemies than the terrorists we've been chasing across the globe. There's no reason the United States should allow terrorists in our neighbing country to inflict the damage we've endured by the cartels.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 6:51 am to jizzle6609
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Who cares about the UN
No one other than crap countries that think it gives them some kind of power and seat at the table. Like all globo orgs, the UN is on very thin ice under Trump. They aren't getting in front of the Trump train over him trying to fix this nation. Especially since they are so easily found in his backyard.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 6:54 am to lake chuck fan
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So just continue to do nothing?? Lol
Nobody said that. Ruling out one bad idea doesn't mean that someone is saying there are no ideas.
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We work with the Mexican government and keep chopping off heads!
We work with the Iraqi government and keep chopping off heads!
We work with the Afghanistani government and keep chopping off heads!
How did those similar situations work out?
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Trump's DOJ needs to go after the corruption in this side of the border that has allowed the flow of drugs into our country.
The only symbolic "war" we've lost worse than the War on Terror: The War on Drugs.
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We should consider the cartels bigger enemies than the terrorists we've been chasing across the globe. There's no reason the United States should allow terrorists in our neighbing country to inflict the damage we've endured by the cartels.
Isn't non-intervention against esoteric threats like this supposed to be a staple of MAGA, too? This is the 2nd day in a row I've seen MAGA-types talking about US invasions of other countries.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 6:57 am to SlowFlowPro
I thought we've done these threads a few times and laughed at jjdoc for wanting to go to war with cartels. This is an idea that MAGA would mock if a Dem proposed it.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 7:02 am to lake chuck fan
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So just continue to do nothing?? Lol
Nothing can be done about them unless you overhauled their Gov which isnt happening
Stop the drugs from flowing, they will just move on to the next deal
Best you can do is bring back Gallardo to keep them in check and get out the Fentanyl and Chyna checmicals. Maybe the trade off is making blow like the 80s again and keep the other shite out of here
Posted on 12/24/24 at 7:04 am to Bunk Moreland
I think this is just out of ignorance. They don't understand we and Mexico have tried all of this stuff and it hasn't worked.
So they revert to the stances they claim to have rejected
So they revert to the stances they claim to have rejected
This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 7:05 am
Posted on 12/24/24 at 7:24 am to lake chuck fan
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You keep using the word "invaded". Using small teams of highly trained special forces to selectively target cartel leadership and disrupt their operations isn't an invasion
If this occurs in Mexico, it is 100% an invasion and just more "nation building."
Posted on 12/24/24 at 7:37 am to SDVTiger
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Nothing can be done about them unless you overhauled their Gov which isnt happening
Wrong. SOMETHING can be done, that's what this entire thread is about. I also stated that while what's being discussed probably won't end the cartels shipping drugs across the border, it would have a drastic effect and send a strong message.
Also, I suggested this action should be in conjunction with truly investigating the corruption on this side of the border that has allowed the flow of drugs.
I agree that having the military to help control the border would be great start.
Simply doing nothing is what's got us to this point.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 7:42 am to lake chuck fan
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Wrong. SOMETHING can be done
Everything you have suggested wouldnt do anything
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it would have a drastic effect and send a strong message.
What drastic effect would it have?
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Also, I suggested this action should be in conjunction with truly investigating the corruption on this side of the border that has allowed the flow of drugs.
I agree that having the military to help control the border would be great start.
Good luck with that. The military at the border still wouldnt do anything. Didnt they just catch some marines smuggling drugs at the border or illegals?
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Simply doing nothing is what's got us to this point.
But muh war on drugs for the last 50yrs!
This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 7:45 am
Posted on 12/24/24 at 7:51 am to SmogkDeizKnutz
Since Mexico blames the rise of the cartels on America’s appetite for illegal drugs, what if Mexico sent their elite forces to the US to take out top “drug lords” in American cities?
How would you feel about that?
They don’t have a “right” to do that, just like we don’t have a “right” to go south and do it to them.
How would you feel about that?
They don’t have a “right” to do that, just like we don’t have a “right” to go south and do it to them.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 8:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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They just tried and failed.
How is that germane to a discussion of whether they could do that WITH HELP FROM THE US?
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Not the same scale or difficulty.
Already addressed.
It’s as though you parachuted into the thread and read my post without reading anything earlier.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 8:29 am to SmogkDeizKnutz
Realistically, how hard would it be for our special forces to take out cartel targets? Is it going to be like the globetrotters vs the generals?
Posted on 12/24/24 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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Isn't non-intervention against esoteric threats like this supposed to be a staple of MAGA, too? This is the 2nd day in a row I've seen MAGA-types talking about US invasions of other countries.
As others have said label the cartels terrorist organizations and use surgical strikes, drones, whatever else to take out and disrupt the cartels business.
Again, just do nothing???? frick that!
Mexico isn't thousands of miles away like Iraq and Afghanistan and the cartels have been responsible for more death and destruction of Americans than all the terrorists put together!
As far as your "MAGA type" bullshite, I don't need to fit into any "type". I have my own ideas and opinions regardless of what group you presume I'm part of.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 8:48 am to Tear It Up
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Since Mexico blames the rise of the cartels on America’s appetite for illegal drugs,
100%
The cartels are a byproduct of US overregulation.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 8:51 am to lake chuck fan
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Again, just do nothing???? frick that!
We've spent a trillion plus fighting drugs and its totally ineffective. In fact, the illegal nature of drugs creates more dangerous and addictive alternatives.
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