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re: Trump administration proposes limit on student loan borrowing-Democrats Explode in Anger

Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:11 pm to
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:11 pm to
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STEM Majors: No Cap


Is that really a good idea?, There are students that will go to expensive private schools to get engineering degrees at a cost of $200K+, when the same degree at a respected public school can be done for $75K. If you are on a full ride sure go wherever, but if paying with loans it just doesn't seem that smart.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21695 posts
Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:11 pm to
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Anyone who borrows money to get a law degree


This is about 90% of law students .
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18881 posts
Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:12 pm to
I get paid to go to graduate school.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21695 posts
Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:14 pm to
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when the same degree at a respected public school can be done for $75K


I paid about $25k for a whole bachelors and graduated in 2010.

In all honesty there isnt much difference between ABET acredited schools. Employers care more about if you pass the FE exam and any internship experience you have than where you graduated from.
This post was edited on 3/19/19 at 9:18 pm
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21695 posts
Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:15 pm to
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I get paid to go to graduate school.


I get reimbursed to go to graduate school .

Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:19 pm to
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Not everyone needs to go to college.


More effort needs to be made in getting the right people to college. A problem just as big as students borrowing a 100K to get a gender studies degree are the very large percentage of students that drop out after 2 years with no degree and owe $50K plus in loans. There are many schools where the graduation rate is only 50% or less. Universities will never help resolve this issue, it is counter productive to their goals.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:21 pm to
NIH wonders where his next meal comes from

I'll sponsor him, he's sparky
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
30951 posts
Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:25 pm to
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Have a cap for a bachelor's, and a separate cap for a JD, MD, etc.

No. This is what has run tuition up so damn high. Cheap money. I graduated med school in 2000 and owed $36k. My wife's PharmD and college was $28k with some for living expenses. We lived meagerly and worked summers in college and in school when we could. Now, it's damn near $50k/year for med school and I have no clue what pharmacy is now. So, for 2 doctorates and college for her we paid a little over 1 years tuition now. They're creating indentured servants. By the time I finished residency we were debt free and had the means to start our own businesses. It's gotten insane.
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
15020 posts
Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:25 pm to
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More effort needs to be made in getting the right people to college. A problem just as big as students borrowing a 100K to get a gender studies degree are the very large percentage of students that drop out after 2 years with no degree and owe $50K plus in loans. There are many schools where the graduation rate is only 50% or less. Universities will never help resolve this issue, it is counter productive to their goals.


The BIG problem with "Free school for all". Many kids only go for the party. They are gone in the first year. If the tax payers are footing the bill there will be thousands more at every U that do the same.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
30951 posts
Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:29 pm to
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orrection: Tuition has skyrocketed because the govt made unlimited money to pay for it available to everyone. In basic economics if you can make more money servicing an unending supply customers with an uncapped amount of cash then you increase the rate dramatically till the demand falls. All this while making an entire generation life long servants.

+1000000000000000000000000 this has happened in medicine. Rural and primary care loan payback puts "free money" in the system. It locks those students into shitty pay and holes that can take decades to dig out of, and those that specialize have to make and pay that much more to break even.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21695 posts
Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:30 pm to
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The BIG problem with "Free school for all".


Heres a simple fix:admit fewer students, but give them better funding.
Posted by JCdawg
Member since Sep 2014
9282 posts
Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:31 pm to
Only majors in need should qualify for student loans, and like scholarships, there should also be a stiff GPA requirement.


But you know what will be said...."that's racist."
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94783 posts
Posted on 3/19/19 at 10:18 pm to
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This is about 90% of law students


Maybe I should have clarified - any kind of "real" money, as in $75k, $100k, $200k, $250k - that's silly in this market. It's been a buyer's market for legal services for decades.
Posted by Lsujacket66
Member since Dec 2010
5007 posts
Posted on 3/19/19 at 10:41 pm to
It’s the only way to fix it
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:46 am to
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Now, it's damn near $50k/year for med school and I have no clue what pharmacy is now.



The rate of the price increase is truly absurd.
When I started medical school, it was $16,000/yr. When I graduated, it was $13,000/semester. That is a rapid fricking rise in costs over a very short period of time. To those that aren't familiar, a part time job in medical school is exceedingly rare-to-impossible, and there simply isn't time to dedicate to make enough income from anything to really make a significant dent in living expenses- during the 3rd year of school becomes a full-time job (and much more than a 9-5 one in most cases).


I married an old classmate during residency. We will be out from under student loan debt in probably 18 months of practice. It's still not bad for a career that I genuinely love. But paying off loans in residency? Your $50K/yr number is pretty accurate. Outside of an independently successful non-traditional student that decided to go back into medical school or someone's parents/local healthcare system footing the bill, I don't think many 22 year olds have $200K lying around or can make it over the first 7 years from the start of school to the end of residency, especially with the stupid duty hour restrictions they like to impose on residents.


What's sad is that the ridiculous tuition leads to high monthly payments which attracts new graduates to the fast-money of employment instead of hanging a shingle or buying/joining an existing "per pelt" gig where their time and effort actually translates to their reputation and their paycheck, so down the line it breeds a less-than-motivated-to-do-more-than-required group of doctors that worsens the physician shortage.
Posted by jessieventura9
Member since Feb 2019
88 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 1:01 am to
I think what is sad is that you can pay off your student loan in 18 months and you consider such intolerable.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14936 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 3:48 am to
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Republicans better not touch my $250,000 loan for my Gender Studies Degree or I will explode in anger and protest at UC Berkley and maybe Stanford too!

Fox Business for the Trigger Impaired

You think our asinine comments added to the the article?

There are other aspects to the proposal than just capping the loan amount, jackass.
Posted by Muleriderhog
NYC
Member since Jan 2015
3116 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 3:49 am to
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? Anyone who borrows money to get a law degree in 2019 is the living embodiment of, "A fool and his money are soon parted, with interest." 

95% of law students pull out loans... Law scholarships never cover cost of living so students always rack up $60,000 in debt just to live. Unless you have a super rich family supporting you.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112661 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 6:28 am to
Pretty simple, really.

There are stats out the arse about job opportunities and compensation for just about any and every field. It would be very easy to determine the prospects of likely repayment based on anticipate future income.

That way, you can still get sufficient loans for medical school, but would be capped on a degree in 16th Century Transgender Studies.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 7:19 am to
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I think what is sad is that you can pay off your student loan in 18 months and you consider such intolerable.



I don't consider it intolerable. I consider the rate of increase in tuition to be crazy, and the near-retirement generation of physicians paid something on the order of $1500-3000/year in tuition. It's just a different game, and it has changed the way practices are opened, run, and managed for the worse in my opinion.

And that's 18 months of practice (after going through residency...we have collected paychecks for the last 36 months but couldn't really afford much more than interest payments on the loans). Yes- I am still very lucky to be able to pay it off in 5 years upon graduating.
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