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Posted on 8/30/18 at 9:20 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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A grand jury should always let the case go to trial if there’s any chance the suspect is guilty.
Hell no.
Preponderence of the evidence is the standard, not "any chance".
Posted on 8/30/18 at 9:21 pm to AUstar
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All you have is a pen and paper to take notes. That ain't good enough when you have hours of conflicting testimony and a short time to decide.
So vote no then if youre not conviced of the evidentiary standard.
Posted on 8/30/18 at 9:46 pm to AUstar
quote:this is true except the alternative is worse. I was on a grand jury. I learned that people can't be trusted at all with these decisions. People inherently think almost everyone is guilty, especially when the accused is a man. The main exception is self-defense.
I don't think indictments should be up to lay people. Convictions, yes, but not indictments.
there are a lot of good comments in this thread. I have and will continue to vote no guilty/no vote bc the system is so rigged. Judges dont care about constitutional rights, and they are on the prosecutor's side
Posted on 8/30/18 at 9:50 pm to AUstar
Grand juries are a flipping joke. If a prosecutor cannot get an indictment from a grand jury then he sure as hell could not get a guilty verdict in a court of law.
Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:00 pm to Kafka
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This classic Rockford Files episodes won several awards for exposing the abuses of the GJ system:
This post of yours was great work.
Edit: Even if the Rockford clip was in mirror image.
This post was edited on 8/30/18 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:05 pm to deeprig9
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A grand jury indictment just means they can move forward with a real trial.
Stop whining.
You're dealing with people's lives here.
Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:06 pm to AUstar
As someone who has been in grand juries in a prosectural role, it’s just a a PC finding. It’s not designed to litigate the whole case. And I say that as a defense attorney now
Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:15 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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A grand jury should always let the case go to trial if there’s any chance the suspect is guilty.
Exact opposite.
In the Grand Jury there is no defense case at all.
The prosecutor's one-sided case should be pretty compelling or no indictment.
Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:17 pm to AUstar
It's a citizen's responsability to serve on a jury if called. I served on a GJ while I had a fever because I saw plenty of people that squirmed out of it.
It sounds like you would prefer to live in a more authoritarian state like China.
It sounds like you would prefer to live in a more authoritarian state like China.
Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:33 pm to habanos
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I served on a GJ while I had a fever because I saw plenty of people that squirmed out of it.
I really wish you fricking plague carriers would stay your asses at home. Getting everyone around you sick isn’t noble
Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:50 pm to SCLibertarian
Wut, We have faith in Mueller for doing the right thing. If anything left leaning people feel like the legal system in this country is a joke. A big left leaning policy/idea is prison and criminal justice reform. You just say whatever you want to make yourself feel better, dont you?
Posted on 8/30/18 at 11:33 pm to RBu
Also is this indictment still going on? Is this allowed..? lol
Posted on 8/31/18 at 6:30 am to AUstar
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The decision to indict can get really complex
Then everyone should sit there and ask questions until it's not complex anymore......see how easy that was.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 8:09 am to SCLibertarian
quote:Umm...I don’t know where you live but where I am it is nearly impossible to get excused for some lame reason. And don’t give me that old crap “I’ll just say I already think he is guilty” or “I hate —————-(ethnicity,etc).
Think about how stupid 12 average Americans who can't get out of jury duty are.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 9:57 am to shrevetigertom
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Umm...I don’t know where you live but where I am it is nearly impossible to get excused for some lame reason. And don’t give me that old crap “I’ll just say I already think he is guilty” or “I hate —————-(ethnicity,etc).
Getting challenged for cause is hard; getting peremptorily challenged is mind numbingly easy.
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