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re: To all you Israel bashers, please never forget:
Posted on 9/6/21 at 10:22 am to CDawson
Posted on 9/6/21 at 10:22 am to CDawson
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That all depends on what they are doing for us above the table or under the table.
Israel doesn't do anything for the US. It's a point of honor for them.
They actually rely on us for intelligence.
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Posted on 9/6/21 at 10:26 am to SCLibertarian
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Never forget that Israel-firsters are the reason why $3.5 billion in aid every year goes to a wealthy country instead of their own country. If this were any other country, conservatives would be livid, but there's always that Israeli blind spot.
Foreign aid, at least the above-board stuff, is typically less than 1% of our budget. Social spending should be our focus.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 10:27 am to Lima Whiskey
quote:maybe but at least some of us can put together a coherent argument and not just some lame personal attack.
You people are pond scum.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 10:35 am to CDawson
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That all depends on what they are doing for us above the table or under the table.
And it is that “under-the-table” aspect that is the rub. Our founding fathers warned us of the inherent dangers of entering into such “entangling alliances” with foreign powers:
Putting that issue aside, Israel is a wealthy and wholly secularist state with one of the highest standards of living in the world, offers a generous cradle-to-grave welfare system to it’s citizens and likewise possesses a throughly modern and effective armed force to defend it’s own borders. Why are United States citizens expected to subsidize Israel’s existence into perpetuity?
Posted on 9/6/21 at 11:22 am to oogabooga68
quote:So they're like the criminals in California who get paid to not to commit crimes?
PAY them not to massacre every violent sub-human
Also, why do we want them to not kill every violent person in that region? Sounds like a positive to me, and we're paying them to not rid the world of bad guys?
Posted on 9/6/21 at 12:01 pm to Flats
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Foreign aid, at least the above-board stuff, is typically less than 1% of our budget.
The problem here is such official aid is but the tip of the proverbial iceberg.
The United States is the largest arms exporter in the world and Israel — along with Saudi Arabia — has long been a primary recipient of that largess.
Israel is the first foreign power to contract for the F-35 Joint-Strike Boondoggle and likewise contracts to buy billions more in other aircraft, armed drones, missiles and bombs from U.S. arms manufacturers:
Israeli Cabinet OKs $9B US Arms Deal For US-Made Aircraft and Special Weapon Systems: Boeing Tops List…..
This post was edited on 9/6/21 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 9/6/21 at 12:02 pm to oogabooga68
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They aren't a welfare State....we PAY them not to massacre every violent sub-human in the region and plunge the world into chaos.
So they are terrorists?
Posted on 9/6/21 at 12:13 pm to oogabooga68
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They aren't a welfare State....we PAY them not to massacre every violent sub-human in the region and plunge the world into chaos.
Outside of using nuclear weapons, you are severely over-estimating the ability of the IDF to wage offensive operations. They aren't built for that, and they've only now implemented doctrinal aspects they learned from the 2006 war with Hezbollah.
Israel absolutely cannot compete with the major historical powers in the region, if all things were equal. Even with the technological superiority, Israel cannot really compete, as their doctrine makes evident. The US relationship allows Israel and the KSA both to act in an unrestrained manner, when they would be far more pragmatic if US support wasn't so absolute. They both have made quandaries for themselves in the region, and don't want to take the risks for themselves to secure their objectives, and thus rely on the US to buttress them.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 12:33 pm to shel311
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Also, why do we want them to not kill every violent person in that region? Sounds like a positive to me, and we're paying them to not rid the world of bad guys?
I am often accused of being an anti-Semite because I oppose aid to Israel. Far from it.
As a sovereign nation, I believe Israel has both a right and a duty to protect it’s borders and secure the liberty of it’s citizens. It simply is intrinsically wrong to expect U.S. citizens to perpetually subsidize Israel in that mission.
If Israel was unfettered by U.S. and international demands that Israel not upset the “balance of power” in the Middle East, much of the conflict in the region would reach a quick conclusion. Yet it is increasingly obvious that a reduction in hostilities in the region is not the goal.
Can anyone still seriously deny that continued U.S. meddling in the Middle East has created a cauldron of sectarian power struggles, failed puppet states and humanitarian catastrophes? At this late stage, mere incompetence can no longer explain the repeated foreign policy disasters and failures of our wholly corrupted national security apparatus: perpetual chaos is indeed the goal.
This post was edited on 9/6/21 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 9/6/21 at 12:35 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Chaos is a ladder. It's a way for a small number of people to make an ungodly amount of money through war profiteering and weapons manufacturing.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 12:46 pm to SCLibertarian
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Chaos is a ladder.
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