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re: Thoughts on "Christian Right"?
Posted on 10/20/24 at 7:40 am to Tigerroar73
Posted on 10/20/24 at 7:40 am to Tigerroar73
How can you be a conservative and not be a social conservative?
And don't bring Goldwater or Reagan up. We don't have a candidate running that should be mentioned in the same sentence with either.
And don't bring Goldwater or Reagan up. We don't have a candidate running that should be mentioned in the same sentence with either.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:01 am to cssamerican
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I’ve never fully grasped this term or who it specifically refers to. There isn’t a significant group of politicians working to establish Christianity as a national religion. Are we labeling any conservative who believes in legislating morality as part of the Christian Right? If that’s the case, it seems like an overly broad definition, especially since many liberal politicians are challenging Western morality through legislation. I often hear about radical right-wingers, but I rarely encounter any extreme right-wing legislation, particularly at the federal level. What would that even look like?
The Founders based the Constitution on the premise of God-given, individual and "inalienable Rights". They were, rightly so, loathe to make Christianity THE State religion, as they had saw where that goes. And further that such would be contrary to the individual freedoms upon which the Constitution was constructed to guarantee, religious belief at the fore. Even God (assuming such exists) does not censor Lucifer's 'Idea' and impose Truth upon Humanity.
The current ideological fight is based upon economic freedom, for an individual retain the fruits of their labors and choose the belief of their preference as dictated by their conscience, as opposed to the traditional historical models of the 'Group'/State/Ruling Authority (in whatever form) running the show. The idea of the Constitution is singularly unique, and likely fleeting, as the Founders rightly suspected.
Re "radical", that is subjective, as today's Progressive would be considered extremely radical in yesterday's Constitutional/Christian Right worldview. And "extreme Right Wing legislation" would be any law that imprisons the less powerful individuals in society who are - via the Capitalist model - justly 'aggrieved' and relegated to lives of "quiet desperation" and relative non-affluence, while watching their more powerful peers enjoy the freedoms therein. Darwinian economy as opposed to the 'Christian' "weaker brethren" version. Envy, jealously and the ultimate contempt and hatred therein are and will be the impetus for human, societal/ideological, morality-based warfare. Big time warfare, likely as Humanity has seldom experienced.
"Where there is no vision (of Truth), my people die".
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:11 am to Tigerroar73
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Honestly, they seem like such farces of conservatives
It’s because they are farces. They’re the Israel First morons on this website.
America First patriots are the true conservatives
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:22 am to Boodis Man
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the Israel First morons
Yeah, frick those idiots. "We're conservative but we support spending a shite ton of money of foreign wars." "We gotta have a temple in jerusalum so Jesus will come back."
These morons should go to Gaza.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:25 am to YouKnowImRight
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How can you be a conservative and not be a social conservative?
You can be fiscally conservative and think its not the government's job to legislate morals.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:26 am to Tigerroar73
You sound like one of those micropenis kill da joos types SFP is ranting about in that other thread.
Now that the Dems are getting skull fricked harder than a little boys a-hole at a Stanford frat party there seem to be multiple threads a day here concern trolling and attempting to divide the right.
Sad and pathetic.
Now that the Dems are getting skull fricked harder than a little boys a-hole at a Stanford frat party there seem to be multiple threads a day here concern trolling and attempting to divide the right.
Sad and pathetic.
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 8:29 am
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:26 am to Boodis Man
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Israel First
That is a misnomer, and I know of no Christians who adhere to such belief. The Jews were firstly given what is the forerunner and theological/idelogical basis for Christianity. Albeit, they rejected the divinity of Jesus Christ, and per the prophetic narrative, have and will pay a price for that. Honestly, I am pissed at what they did to Jesus, but given the circumstances back then, it makes perfect logical/worldly sense.
Still, they are an ally in the foundational belief that people should be allowed to choose, and to the degree that such belief does not result in a National suicide (given Islamist principle), they, as we, extend such freedom to their citizenry.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:27 am to Tigerroar73
The hard left is and always was more dangerous than the "Christian Right"
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:36 am to RCDfan1950
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Still, they are an ally in the foundational belief that people should be allowed to choose, and to the degree that such belief does not result in a National suicide (given Islamist principle), they, as we, extend such freedom to their citizenry.
Israel is an ethnocracy. No different than Muslim countries. Their govt looks down upon anyone who isnt Jewish. And they believe they are ordained by God to do whatever they want. It's a shiny example of the problem that govt religion always creates, and what the founders of our country tried to avoid.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:43 am to Tigerroar73
I think these trends are a product of the Democratic Party leadership becoming increasingly secular and anti-Christian. There are still obviously Christian democrats that come out of mainline and high church Protestantism, black evangelical churches, and some aspects of Catholicism; but they aren’t setting the agenda of the Democrat party and so increasingly Christians are leaving the party that is hostile to them and voting Republican. Consequently, I think when younger people leave the Republican Party, they also tend to leave Christianity which they see as synonymous.
That said, I think there has been an effort by some pastors, knowing where their bread is buttered, to pretend that there is no tension whatsoever between traditional Christianity and the platform of the Republican Party. I don’t think that is a particular problem for the nation, but I do think it waters down the teachings of Christianity which transcend any specific time and place. Ideally both parties would make an effort to embody Christianity, but at least in the near term I don’t see anyway that happens
That said, I think there has been an effort by some pastors, knowing where their bread is buttered, to pretend that there is no tension whatsoever between traditional Christianity and the platform of the Republican Party. I don’t think that is a particular problem for the nation, but I do think it waters down the teachings of Christianity which transcend any specific time and place. Ideally both parties would make an effort to embody Christianity, but at least in the near term I don’t see anyway that happens
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 9:07 am
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:52 am to texas tortilla
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i think it was nixon who went after the religous right. jerry falwell started his rise to power then. that whole family is shady as heck. too many of the christian right today are zionist. brainwashed in their churches by pastors who love that scofield bible.
Yeah it was Pat Buchanan who convinced Nixon that this could be his base, and Buchanan was not a Zionist, and probably the closest thing to a MAGA conservative in the decades before Trump. I wonder if evangelical support for Israel ever bothers him. It probably doesn’t because there is broad support for Israel in both political parties, so despite evangelicals being super Israel supporters, it’s not really like it’s a new feature in our politics or even a defining feature of evangelicalism
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:52 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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Israel is an ethnocracy. No different than Muslim countries. Their govt looks down upon anyone who isnt Jewish. And they believe they are ordained by God to do whatever they want. It's a shiny example of the problem that govt religion always creates, and what the founders of our country tried to avoid.
True, SG, albeit they are a lot different from Muslim countries. Do you believe that a group/Nation should be able to protect and promote their cultural/ethnic heritage if they so choose? Especially against today's Totalitarian DEI hegemony.
The Founders did indeed recognize the point and "problem" which subjective religion/morality brings to the governance table, and did their best at addressing what is indeed a 'catch 22' conundrum. Most people back then "looked down" on non-Christians; and they question and evidence of the stability and prosperity of said people/society becomes the proof of the wisdom therein or the lack thereof. And I get the feeling that pretty soon, our people will be forced to either acquiesce to DEI or do "whatever they want" to defend their freedom. It's a zero sum game.
I am unfamiliar with exactly what the Jews believe re "do whatever they want", in any religious or ideological sense other than to protect their (Jewish) Nation. The Jew v Arab thing goes way back, and it is now a 'Hatfield v McCoy' scenario. Sadly so.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:54 am to FooManChoo
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Thoughts on "Christian Right"?
They compromise too much.
Way too much.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:55 am to Tigerroar73
Christians that are right wing? Thats about 90% of Trump's voter base, I'd say I like us.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:56 am to RCDfan1950
There has been a 90% drop in Christian identification in Palestine since the creation of the state of Israel
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:00 am to Tigerroar73
I came so close to swinging on someone the other day that was talking shite “southern Christian conservatives.” I was like this bitch is talking shite about me and my entire family right now…
You don’t want to go there with this bull shite man so just stop now.
You don’t want to go there with this bull shite man so just stop now.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:03 am to Tigerroar73
So the Republican Party must become the Party of abortion rights, big government, and big spending?
In other words, Democrats.
In other words, Democrats.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:09 am to RCDfan1950
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Do you believe that a group/Nation should be able to protect and promote their cultural/ethnic heritage if they so choose?
Not through violence. Pretty sure Hitler would describe his efforts the same way.
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am unfamiliar with exactly what the Jews believe re "do whatever they want", in any religious or ideological sense other than to protect their (Jewish) Nation.
Bomb American navy ships, for one.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:10 am to PrettyLights
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came so close to swinging on someone the other day that was talking shite “southern Christian conservatives.”
Real Christian thing to do.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:12 am to texas tortilla
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brainwashed in their churches by pastors who love that scofield bible.
Bingo.
Go read about Scofield, if you dont know.
Guy was the evangelical version of Joseph Smith.
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