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re: This should be a bigger story: Evidence Tampered With In McCloskey Gun Case
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:18 am to chalmetteowl
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:18 am to chalmetteowl
quote:
That gate was probably never locked in the first place
So they destroyed it just for fun?
Or because it was unlocked (in your opinion), it now absolves them of trespassing?
Either one doesn't make it look ANY better, nor does it reinforce your "side" at all. The fact that you think this is an effective, relevant argument should be exhibit #1 in proving just how far people like you will go to justify the behavior of those on your side.
You sound ridiculous. What do you think an unlocked gate proves? Lay it out for me.
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Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:20 am to RazorBroncs
Better yet, this group of geniuses claims to be lawyers.
Breaking the plane of posted property can be considered breaking and entering, even if you don’t physically break anything.
Breaking the plane of posted property can be considered breaking and entering, even if you don’t physically break anything.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:21 am to teke184
quote:
Then why was it broken in half?
Why, the McCloskey's went out there after the fact, upon realizing there were in a bit of trouble, and broke it in half themselves so that they could later blame the protestor for breaking down the gate. They then tampered with the gun, making it inoperable, before handing it over to the police and claiming it was never operable. We have no video proof that this ISN'T how things happened, therefore, it must be how things happened. - Hank.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:22 am to Open Your Eyes
quote:
Persecuting US citizens by illegally confiscating their guns and arresting them because of a bogus charge that is debunked by very clear, publicly available evidence is most certainly a violation of their constitutional rights.
Compounded further by modifying the evidence to show it was something it actually was not.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:23 am to chalmetteowl
Why does the gate need to be locked? You have to be trolling
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:24 am to SSpaniel
quote:
Why, the McCloskey's went out there after the fact, upon realizing there were in a bit of trouble, and broke it in half themselves so that they could later blame the protestor for breaking down the gate. They then tampered with the gun, making it inoperable, before handing it over to the police and claiming it was never operable. We have no video proof that this ISN'T how things happened, therefore, it must be how things happened. - Hank.
Winner.
Hank and Chalmette's mental gymnastics are incredible flights of fancy.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:24 am to ZZTIGERS
The McKloskey's attorney will have a field day with this, but in the end it won't matter because in St Louis they'll have an OJ Simpson-type jury. The McKloskey's are the wrong color to get a fair trial in St Louis
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:29 am to RazorBroncs
quote:Good Lord.
RazorBroncs
This was not some modern security gate with card access and mag locks. It is an old, wrought-iron style gate with a physical/keyed lock and a deadbolt, held in place with a simple drop-pin in a hole in the ground.
You unlock a deadbolt of this type with a physical key.
It is certainly POSSIBLE that someone might conceivably have hurled himself against the gate repeatedly, until the drop-pin bent. The problem is that the drop-in is not bent in any of the photos. In fact, it is STILL in the hole in the ground in the photos taken AFTER the damage to the upper part of the gate.
The protesters are shown in the video walking through the OTHER half of the double-gate, with the now-damaged half of the gate being still undamaged and with the drop-pin still in place in the hole in the ground.
quote:Almost anything makes more sense than that, which is why have referred to that possibility with such obvious sarcasm.
That makes more logical sense than protesters feeling the need to destroy an already-open gate anyway
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:32 am to UncleFestersLegs
quote:
Private Street
Look closely at the latch. It is still extended. The gate was not unlocked by anyone to let them in.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:33 am to AggieHank86
I bet the McCloskey's own a pickup truck. And I bet they hooked a chain to the back of said truck, hooked the other end to the gate and floored it. The gate, however was very strong, and only broke in the middle. They they ran back inside to hide the chain.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:34 am to AggieHank86
quote:
The problem is that the drop-in is not bent in any of the photos
Your problem is that the photo also shows the latch was still extended. It was not unlocked.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:35 am to SSpaniel
quote:No, genius, those are reasonable possibilities ... just as are SOME of your theories.
We have no video proof that this ISN'T how things happened, therefore, it must be how things happened. - Hank.
Given McCloskey's initial lies about HOW the protesters first gained access to the neighborhod (ripping down the gate like the "Storming of the Bastille"), I have trouble believing much of anything that the man says.
You, on the other hand, will swallow it all (hook, line and sinker) because he pointed a weapon at BLM folks. Enemy of my enemy, and all that.
Rather sad, really.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:37 am to AggieHank86
quote:
, I have trouble believing much of anything that the man says.
Ok. Tell us why the DA is to be believed? Apply the same standard.
Then tell us where the burden of proof lies.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:40 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Given McCloskey's initial lies about HOW the protesters first gained access to the neighborhod (ripping down the gate like the "Storming of the Bastille")
We have no actual proof that this wasn't what happened. The "Storming of the Bastille" was just a bit of hyperbole.
All we have are your wild-assed conjectures of how things might have happened based on one photo. Question... if I'm on a jury... and you actually present this theory in court... and I openly laugh at you because I can't help it, do I get into trouble? Dismissed from the jury? What?
Upon re-reading, I thought you were talking to me. Then I saw this...
quote:
genius
So that rules me out.
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 10:42 am
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:43 am to CleverUserName
Dude, clearly the Mccloskeys unlocked the gate and invited the mob over for hibiscus tea and scones.
Then when the mob shows up on the lawn, McCloskey goes "Bait and Switch, motherfrickers" and pulls a Rambo moment.
And then later that night, he hooks up a chain to his baw buddy's BigFoot style monster truck, and they yank that fricking gate down while they shotgun a whole case of Natty Ice.
And then, he disassembles the firearms involved and cleverly reassembles them to be made inoperable. He then surrenders them to the local yokel Barney Fife with a smug grin and a wink.
Hank and Chalmette already Matlock'd the frick out of this, bruh.
Then when the mob shows up on the lawn, McCloskey goes "Bait and Switch, motherfrickers" and pulls a Rambo moment.
And then later that night, he hooks up a chain to his baw buddy's BigFoot style monster truck, and they yank that fricking gate down while they shotgun a whole case of Natty Ice.
And then, he disassembles the firearms involved and cleverly reassembles them to be made inoperable. He then surrenders them to the local yokel Barney Fife with a smug grin and a wink.
Hank and Chalmette already Matlock'd the frick out of this, bruh.
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 10:44 am
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:43 am to CleverUserName
quote:Your eyes must be far better than mine. I don't see enough detail to express an opinion on that point, either way.
Your problem is that the photo also shows the latch was still extended. It was not unlocked
I did watch the contemporaneous video again, and I do not see an extended bolt in it. Again, however, the image quality is too poor for a definitive statement.
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 11:01 am
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:44 am to DeusVultMachina
“McCloskey, you son of a bitch, I’m in!”
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:45 am to CleverUserName
The bolt is indeed extended.
Doesn’t matter though. Trespassing doesn’t require the gate to be locked.
Doesn’t matter though. Trespassing doesn’t require the gate to be locked.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:48 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Your eyes must be far better than mine. I don't see enough detail to express an opinion on that point, either way.
You need to get them checked then. It’s obvious when you zoom in. If the gate was unlocked, that latch would have been retracted into the lock and at least part flush with the frame. It is obviously not retracted.
There is no halfway with a keyed lock. It’s retracted.. or its not. It is not.
But this argue this like you are.... Maybe the protesters went back and straightened the pin that goes into the concrete.
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 10:51 am
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