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re: Third and final number for the 3rd quarter GDP.

Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:15 pm to
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:15 pm to
There's no credibility at risk as long as you simply say this (which is 100% true and makes sense since Presidential terms roughly begin at the start of the calendar year):

Barack Obama is the only President on record not to achieve 3% Real GDP growth in any calendar year of his presidency. You could also flash this chart:



Or, you could say Obama's average GDP growth over all years of his Presidency was the worst on record. Here is that chart:



Both entirely true. The fact the left even needs to split hairs to spin a gentler story for Obama tells you all you need to know.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:29 pm to
quote:

There's no credibility at risk as long as you simply say this (which is 100% true and makes sense since Presidential terms roughly begin at the start of the calendar year):

Barack Obama is the only President on record not to achieve 3% Real GDP growth in any calendar year of his presidency.

How compelling would this argument be in 8 years if Trump doesn't do better than, say, 3.5? Or, what if we experience a recession at some point, and the average over the Trump years is like 2? Or what if, despite all our arguments about dynamic scoring, deficits get big and stay big compared to Obama's final 2 years, and we still fail to average 3?

I think each of these things are in the realm of reasonable possibility. And if any of them happen, you can be 100% certain the media will remind us all endlessly of the oversold promises of growth, about the failure of trickle-down, all of that.

You can say you disagree and that this is very, very unlikely, but I don't see how you can say there's no credibility at risk.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 1:03 pm to
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We would have to hit 4.5% in 4Q to get to 3% for the year.


I've got 4.6% in 4Q necessary to hit 3.0% for the year, and 4.02% in 4Q necessary to surpass Obama's best year of growth in 2015, when the U.S. economy grew 2.86%. Just for fun record keeping and such.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 3:57 pm to
I had all digits rounded to the nearest tenth of a percent, so if you do the actual math, it could very well be 4.6%.

It will be very interesting to see if we can hit 4.0%. As much as I think Trump is doing what is best for the economy, it's also not lost on me the business cycle does just that - cycle - and the current recovery is pretty long in the tooth.

However, I also think the slow pace of the recovery during Obama's tenure could lend itself to an up cycle that is much longer in duration compared to past up cycles.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 4:02 pm to
When I say there's no credibility at risk, I'm saying that when making the "Obama never hit 3% GDP growth" argument, you must specify that this refers to real, calendar year GDP growth. I'm not talking about all the scenarios you mentioned in terms of credibility. I'm just saying if you're going to make that argument, be very specific.

Too many people are confusing quarterly growth with annual growth and calendar year growth with growth in any four quarter period.
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 4:04 pm
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34207 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 5:25 pm to
Thanks Obama
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