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re: Things more/equally likely to kill you than a cop:
Posted on 12/9/17 at 4:39 pm to Dale51
Posted on 12/9/17 at 4:39 pm to Dale51
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So only people who are armed can be guilty of something?
even if guilty, how do you justify an unarmed person being killed by cops? What happened to due process and trial by jury?
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Posted on 12/9/17 at 4:39 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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If I kill someone who points a B.B. gun at me it’s going to be a lot harder to prove I “reasonably feared for my life” than it would be for a cop
Thats just so dumb. In your imagined scenario, what are the dynamics of the encounter that would equate to a LEO and a citizen encounter that ends with the LEO having a gun pointed at him/her?
Posted on 12/9/17 at 4:41 pm to Dale51
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And those 3 are representative of what number of police/ citizen interactions of those years?
Why does that even matter?
Posted on 12/9/17 at 4:41 pm to Dale51
quote:I probably wouldn’t have on body armor and team of 8-10 men armed with high powered rifles backing me, so I’d have much more reason to be in fear of my life than any cop should.
In your imagined scenario, what are the dynamics of the encounter that would equate to a LEO and a citizen encounter that ends with the LEO having a gun pointed at him/her?
Posted on 12/9/17 at 4:42 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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As it stands now they’re held to a lower standard when they should be held to a higher one.
This is the main issue in a nutshell. very well put.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 4:45 pm to the808bass
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the car backfired at police headquarters and police brought in the whole force to follow the car
That doesn't actually track your claim above. How do you think it would have ended if the car would have simply stopped when the lights went on and things were calmly explained?
The high-speed pursuit started after Russell's 1979 Chevy Malibu backfired while driving past police headquarters.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 4:49 pm to Dale51
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That's the point in context to the "zero tolerance" crowd. They only want to see things one way.
I think people would get away from the zero tolerance argument if they had faith that cops who wrongfully kill people were held fully accountable, but they are not
Posted on 12/9/17 at 5:14 pm to NYNolaguy1
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What part of this did I make up?
With this statement:
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One could imply that this is court sanctioned behaviour and is completely lawful.
Do you want to live in a society where this is a legal action?
..you imply this is common and maybe even the norm. It was one (1) case.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 5:16 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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If you keep saying this maybe it will become true. You’re like a walking PowerPoint lecture given to rookie cops
My..what a compelling counter argument you make.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 5:17 pm to cokebottleag
Never surprises me when "small gov" conservatives try to downplay government agents killing civilians under any circumstances.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 5:19 pm to the808bass
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I addressed this in a subsequent post.
I must have missed that post.
*You seem kinda PMSy* Bad day?
Posted on 12/9/17 at 6:53 pm to Dale51
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The high-speed pursuit started after Russell's 1979 Chevy Malibu backfired while driving past police headquarters.
That’s the point dimwit.
And again, in one of the most egregious police shootings in history, you’re still conconting some defense. It’s the reason people don’t take your cop ramblings seriously.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 7:06 pm to Dale51
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you imply this is common and maybe even the norm. It was one (1) case.
Are you suggesting the training he received and followed correctly (shooting a defenseless man crying on his knees) was not the norm? Are you suggesting the court erred?
Posted on 12/9/17 at 7:12 pm to cokebottleag
Should I think cancer is good because it is rare?
Posted on 12/9/17 at 7:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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RogerTheShrubber
What's funny? Surely you have the data, considering you feel so strongly?? How many doors are busted in by cops wrongfully?
You're just too fricking biased for your own good. You go full retard on this subject, and that should be your first sign you should step back and actually look at the numbers.
This post was edited on 12/9/17 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 12/9/17 at 7:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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cops killing innocent people is a choice.
How many innocent people have cops killed??
Posted on 12/9/17 at 7:44 pm to tigerfoot
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Should I think cancer is good because it is rare?
Cancer isn't rare, wrongful death by police officer is.
This post was edited on 12/9/17 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 12/9/17 at 7:47 pm to cwill
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Never surprises me when "small gov" conservatives try to downplay government agents killing civilians under any circumstances.
Give me a break. You act like senators are in their ear telling them their daily duties. They're just average, everyday people charged with babysitting dysfunctional retards most of the time. They make mistakes, and even then, them doing so is very low. Some of you fricks are just so eaten up with this talking point, the data goes from one ear and out the other.
This post was edited on 12/9/17 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 12/9/17 at 7:57 pm to AUsteriskPride
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They make mistakes, and even then, them doing so is very low.
Of course the mistakes are low.
I bet if I asked you to self report every crime you have ever committed, the rates would be equally low
. I also find it hilarious that so many "small gov conservatives" suddenly have so much faith in its employees and bureacracy, but only when it comes to the judicial system. Absolute faith in govt employees? Hell no. Absolute faith in govt LEO? Hell yes.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 8:00 pm to AUsteriskPride
quote:Then they should be treated as such
They're just average, everyday people
quote:They weren't "charged" with it. It's the job they signed up for.
charged with babysitting dysfunctional retards most of the time.
quote:They're mistakes carry a lot more consequences for the customer than the mistakes of your average citizen. The consequences on them for those mistakes should be much higher.
They make mistakes, and even then, them doing so is very low.
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