re: They are sticking with Biden because they are rigging the 2024 election.

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Your argument completely ignores a logical possibility. There can still be massive cheating and a slim victory.

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It doesn't ignore it at all. It just makes it very unlikely. It's far from the most likely explanation for what happened.

I've looked up the margins of victory in the swing states in both 2016 and 2020 and I no longer remember the actual gaps, but they were so small in both years that you would have to believe that Biden got a massive amount fewer votes than Clinton in those states but made up the difference by a massive amount of fake votes, and the difference ended up being less than the margin of victory in 2016.

Do you really think that's the most likely explanation?

Especially in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, which Trump only won the first time due to Jill Stein syphoning off more votes than usual from Clinton, and who the Democratic Party got kicked off the ballot in those states in 2020. By doing so, all other things being equal, they gave those two states back to the Dems with that one move.

As an analogy, let's say we were going to cheat in a football game by having players shave points. But instead of the payers being able to respond to what's happening in the game in real time, we would have to predetermine how many points they were supposed to shave (given the nature of the counting of ballots, there's no way to keep shoveling in fake votes until you just barely win...votes are counted at too many different places to be able to do that.)

So let's say we decided that LSU would shave 24 points off the game with Alabama, which they won by one point last season. The teams were dead equal both last year and this year on paper.

You're telling me that LSU shaves 24 points off, but performs 23 points better than they did in last year's game and if not for the point shaving would have routed Alabama, but as it is due to the point shaving, they lost by one point.

How likely is that?

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Of course, it would mean that the crowd sizes at rallies actually were relevant, and I know you won't give up that argument.

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LOL. THAT'S your evidence in favor of "massive cheating?" frick the number of votes cast and the margin of victory, frick what happened in 2016, there were a lot of people cheering at Trump rallies on Youtube, so that means there HAD to be "massive cheating?" Tens of millions of fake votes?

I really don't even know why I try here.

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that you have to cling to ones like this

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What the frick are you talking about? I'm not necessarily claiming that Biden legitimately won. I'm saying that the actual facts point to some cheating but not "massive cheating" that may or may not have made the difference.

"Clinging to?" Good grief y'all are so delusional it's amazing.

I said I would be open to someone challenging my analysis. But dude, you have to give me something more than, "Well, there were lots of MAGA hats sold, so I have to say any silly argument that actually looks at the numbers of votes cast is a desperate attempt to cling to a ridiculous narrative."

Tell me based on what happened in 2016 vs 2020 where you see tens of millions of votes coming into play. If you can do that, sure I'll listen.

I don't see tens of millions of likely fake votes. I see a possibility of around 500,000, and at least half of those were cast in one state—Georgia.

Tell me where I'm wrong. But you can't say dumb stuff like, "People were really turning out for Trump rallies." So what? They really turned out for Trump rallies in 2016 too, and he barely won. By like 200,000 votes spread out over 4 swing states.

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And how many of these legions of cheaters have come forward and admitted they cheated?

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There are SO many holes to be poked into your assertion here. If I had the time at the moment, I could blow a few holes wide open myself BUT any attempt to get beyond your hack ideology is wasted time at this point.

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Their plan is to rig the election

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I'm afraid that in 2024 it's not a plan it's a business model.

Lol.... Conspiracy theories today have been proven to be fact in recent years. Biden is absolutely not running anything. My evidence?
Observe and listen to him speak!
Obama and his people are calling the shots.