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re: The world needs to cut China off
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:32 am to Turbeauxdog
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:32 am to Turbeauxdog
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Well China doesn’t engage in free market capitalism they engage in mercantilism
Their manufactured goods exist in the global free market.
What difference does it make how the producer gets goods to market cheaper than others? Does China control who buys and sells their stuff in the global marketplace?
If I could buy cotton cheaper from a producer that uses slave labor than I could produce it in my own colonies, I would. Only when that supply chain were disrupted would I start to produce it in my colonies. IOW, it doesn't matter where I get my materials from, as long as I can reduce my overhead and increase my margins.
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Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:34 am to 90proofprofessional
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woeful logic failure
You not liking it doesn’t make it woeful.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:35 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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What difference does it make how the producer gets goods to market cheaper than others? Does China control who buys and sells their stuff in the global marketplace?
It makes it not capitalism
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:37 am to Jbird
what is your issue with that statement?
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:37 am to Jbird
Progressive are part of the problem. Under Clinton and Obama signed 2 trade deals that complete benefited China and hurt Americans. They gave an ideology that if you treat people nicely they would work together and be fair. All china has done is taken advantage of that naivety.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:44 am to RocketPower
The OP must love the market collapse that began when China reacted to the virus.
He wants a government to tell Apple and Cat and Starbucks and BOA and BA and all the other companies Trump has been fighting for with his trade war to help sell into China that they cannot sell their products into China??
Good luck with that.
He wants a government to tell Apple and Cat and Starbucks and BOA and BA and all the other companies Trump has been fighting for with his trade war to help sell into China that they cannot sell their products into China??
Good luck with that.
This post was edited on 3/9/20 at 10:51 am
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:44 am to RocketPower
clinton and obama are not progressives. they are bought neoliberals just like the Bushes in between.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:46 am to Srobi14
quote:Progressives that's the problem.
what is your issue with that statement?
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:49 am to RocketPower
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It's fricking ridiculous we do so much buisness with a country who we know constantly steals, lies, manipulate, and we know our treaties won't be honored. Yet it just constantly gets ignored. They gave fricking tax breaks on fent production exports when Trump started a trade war. They started chemical warfare on us but we still want to work with them.
And we gave Iran a pallet of cash. Gropin joe was at the wheel when all of this was happening
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:52 am to Turbeauxdog
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It makes it not capitalism
I don't think you understand what capitalism is.
If I can sell widgets in my store for $10 dollars, and I can buy them from Supplier1 for $5, Supplier2 for $4, and Supplier3 for $1, I'm going to buy them from supplier3. That's capitalism. It doesn't matter how Supplier3 can produce them for $1.
Now the OP wants me to not buy them from Supplier3. Why not? Because OP says he doesn't like the system that produces the widgets? Tough, my margins are better when I use Supplier3.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:55 am to Turbeauxdog
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You not liking it doesn’t make it woeful.
Correct. It being woefully poor logic makes it woeful.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:00 am to RocketPower
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They dont punish stealing of intellectual properties they encourage it.
They don't steal technology any more than anyone else, they make technology transfer a requirement for doing business in their country. Industry doesn't have to transfer technology to the Chinese, they could simply choose not to do business under those terms.
But they can't resist the low, low prices!
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:10 am to 90proofprofessional
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Correct. It being woefully poor logic makes it woeful.
Not very compelling per usual
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:11 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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don't think you understand what capitalism is.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:20 am to Turbeauxdog
Okay, laughing boy, how do you propose we "cut China off" in the context of the free market?
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:21 am to Turbeauxdog
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Not very compelling per usual
logic doesn't compel you per usual, so
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:22 am to 90proofprofessional
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logic doesn't compel you per usual, so
Your emotions are running you over again bud.
Take a breather.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:24 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Okay, laughing boy, how do you propose we "cut China off" in the context of the free market?
You sanction and tariff them to death for anti free trade practices.
Or are you one of those that claims sanctioning anti free trade practices is in itself anti free trade?
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:28 am to Turbeauxdog
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Or are you one of those that claims sanctioning anti free trade practices is in itself anti free trade?
That looks more like government interference in the market. I asked how do we cut China off in the context of the free market - that is to say, without government interference.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:30 am to RocketPower
Easier said than done.....and overall a pretty stupid proposal
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