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re: The "Solutions" to Police Brutality - Misconduct - etc
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:01 pm to AU86
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:01 pm to AU86
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How about just quit breaking the law?
That didn't work out so well for Daniel Shaver. He didn't break the law and he tried his best to cooperate. He tried to play Officer Philip Brailsford's sadistic game of Simon Says, but he lost, so he died.
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:04 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
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And people sue and recover damages all the time. What more do you want?
In typical tort cases. In cases involving police, many cases aren't even heard by a jury due to summary judgment, because of either qualified immunity or the inapplicability of vicarious liability and respondeat superior. And if a case goes to a jury and they award the Plaintiff millions of dollars, the judge would be required to grant the Defendant's motion for remittitur because the maximum recovery against a state agency or actor is capped (in SC it's $300k).
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I’m sure Garner immediately put his hands behind his back and peacefully submitted to arrest.
Because this looks like a man who's resisting arrest or is able to hurt someone. Give me a break.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:06 pm to el Gaucho
quote:Why do innocent people run from the police?
What if people just cooperated with police officers instead?
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:06 pm to Lg
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That's to easy. That's what laws are made for. To break. Like the old NASCAR saying, "if you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin."
Sadly, following the law doesn't protect anyone from being killed by police. It's remarkably easy to get someone killed by police. Just call 911 and report that your target has been threatening people with a weapon. That's how John Crawford, Tamir Rice, and Daniel Shaver were killed, despite the fact that they were not actually threatening anyone with a weapon or violating any other laws.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:09 pm to ShortyRob
The best solution is to convince all the posters, facebookers, tweeters, etc... who know exactly how police work should be done to hire on and lead by example instead of just complaining about it online.
Like the Dallas Police Chief said....
We're Hiring
Like the Dallas Police Chief said....
We're Hiring
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:13 pm to theenemy
Yeah, I wonder what percentage of anti-police protesters have experience with 1) carrying a gun and having mentally prepared to defend their life with deadly force and 2) working a job that required you to arrest people who are prone to resist arrest with their own deadly force. A lot of monday morning quarterbacking and refereeing going on here.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:14 pm to Oddibe
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Why do innocent people run from the police?
The next time I see a police officer (at a place like a grocery store), I may run just to see how he reacts. I have no criminal record and have never been engaged in any criminal activity, whatsoever, so there is no valid reason for a police officer to have any interest in me. Then again, there's a 50% chance I end up dead because running is de facto illegal around police officers in this country.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:19 pm to theenemy
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The best solution is to convince all the posters, facebookers, tweeters, etc... who know exactly how police work should be done to hire on and lead by example instead of just complaining about it online.
Like the Dallas Police Chief said....
No thanks. I'm doing quite well in private sector. The only government checks I have ever cashed have been income tax returns and I plan on keeping it that way.
I pay several thousand dollars in taxes every year that fund police departments, and you think I shouldn't complain about how that money is spent? What am I allowed to complain about? If you could give me a concise list, that would be great.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:20 pm to ShortyRob
It starts at home.
You as a father should teach your kids how to interact with police just as you teach them to interact at school or handle a loaded weapon. Bring you kids to the station and have them meet officers, you'll find out they are people too and not some army soldier as often described on the line.
Then community, when you see Debbie does Dallas on the street corner selling a good time, report it, when you Donald the dope man, report it, when you see people breaking into houses, report it, when you see kids beating up another kid, stop them. Get out there and make a difference, get to know your neighbors, clean up trash and your neighborhood will look better and feel safer (look at what NYC did to help deter crime, little things make a big difference). If you want a better community the residents need to be part of it.
If you want better police officers, be prepared to pay them. Who wants to get shot at for simply wearing a badge for 30k a year and then have to work extra duty to make ends meet on your days off?
If we can get the violent crimes down in our communities then some of these other problems will fix themselves.
You as a father should teach your kids how to interact with police just as you teach them to interact at school or handle a loaded weapon. Bring you kids to the station and have them meet officers, you'll find out they are people too and not some army soldier as often described on the line.
Then community, when you see Debbie does Dallas on the street corner selling a good time, report it, when you Donald the dope man, report it, when you see people breaking into houses, report it, when you see kids beating up another kid, stop them. Get out there and make a difference, get to know your neighbors, clean up trash and your neighborhood will look better and feel safer (look at what NYC did to help deter crime, little things make a big difference). If you want a better community the residents need to be part of it.
If you want better police officers, be prepared to pay them. Who wants to get shot at for simply wearing a badge for 30k a year and then have to work extra duty to make ends meet on your days off?
If we can get the violent crimes down in our communities then some of these other problems will fix themselves.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:25 pm to Papplesbeast
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I pay several thousand dollars in taxes every year that fund police departments,
My tax bill for sheriff and police is less than 100 bucks a year, you must have a mansion.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:31 pm to Aristo
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My tax bill for sheriff and police is less than 100 bucks a year, you must have a mansion.
That may be what you see on your property tax bill. I seriously doubt that's all you actually pay. How much of the sales and income taxes you pay fund police departments?
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:32 pm to Papplesbeast
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What am I allowed to complain about?
Be careful or someone might just fear for their safety.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:36 pm to Papplesbeast
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How much of the sales and income taxes you pay fund police departments?
No idea, where would I look?
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:40 pm to ShortyRob
Solution is to have less cops. Be highly selective and pay the highly skilled LEOs a frick ton. Then get them off of fricking traffic ticket duty and stop harassing people smoking weed.. and worry about real crime.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:51 pm to Aristo
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Bring you kids to the station and have them meet officers, you'll find out they are people too and not some army soldier as often described on the line.
I am a law abiding citizen and I have taught my children the same values. But to think the police have not been militarized over the last 3 decades is living in a fantasy land.
You almost can't trust them anymore.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:53 pm to Aristo
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No idea, where would I look?
I don't know. Every state is different. I'd probably start by looking at your local and state government budgets.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:04 pm to MrLarson
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But to think the police have not been militarized over the last 3 decades
Correct, but how would you propose they deal with situations such as Dallas, Baton Rouge, and Vegas?
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:12 pm to ShortyRob
Just stop sending cops into the community and problem solved.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:44 pm to Aristo
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but how would you propose they deal with situations such as Dallas, Baton Rouge, and Vegas?
S.W.A.T. teams that are only deployed to deal with those situations.
Not every officer decked out in full tactical gear like they are soldiers.
If you want people to approach the police then make them approachable.
Have you ever watched LivePD?
They'll send in a deputy in FULL tactical gear to deal with a shop lifter. That is not how you gain the trust of the citizenry.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:50 pm to ShortyRob
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