re: The Republican war on women, George Will's turn

As is typical, zero scores from an actual tactic. One off a random deflection.

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I think it's very odd how defensive some of you are about this.

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i do criminal law and represent people who have been falsely accused (have a friend going through it, too) and know girls who have been rape raped. i believe scoring political points at the expense of both groups (innocent males falsely accused and actual rape victims) is disgusting

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I'm sure you'll find some nonsense to try to nit pick about it though

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you mean using a quote from the article you just posted?

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The focal point of the study was the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) -- an annual crime report conducted through household surveys by the U.S.

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also, this is funny

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Data from the FBI, which gathers its statistics on rape or attempted rape reported as a crime by local law enforcement, counted only 85,593 in 2010.

Either someone's not counting properly, or there's a problem with the methods of collecting and analyzing data about rapes.

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the very article shifts from " 188,380 victims of rape and sexual assault in 2010" to "rape or attempted rape". there are going to be fewer rapes/attempted rapes compared to rape AND sexual assaults.

and this is quite apparent when you realize that most of these surveys would include an arse grab as "sexual assault"

the article actually discusses the problems of the term "rape", but funny enough, doesn't even discuss the problems of "sexual assault" being defined (or, more importantly, how related/unrelated the definition is to the disputed term, "rape")

ALSO, continue to read your very own article. while inter-family sexual abuse is a serious problem, it's not a problem that this thread is addressing

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For one, the NCVS does not stress privacy while conducting in-house interviews to gather its statistics on rape. This could prove problematic in instances where a family member is the abuser. Approximately two-thirds of rapes occur by someone known to the victim, according to NCVS data from 2005. If the abuser were within earshot of the interviewee, the victim might be reluctant to speak up, the panel's recent report said.

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now the article is kind of shite because it fails to distinguish "family" from "someone known to the victim", while basically using both interchangeably, but the larger point is still valid: a large portion of unreported rapes involve family or friends of family. this scenario is not only shocking, but it also has nothing to do with our discussion

but, to be more specific to the point, that article is about the NCVS, which is a survey

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None of that has any tangible impact on the findings of this study

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well your point was a "gotcha" trying to show some "shelter reporting" study...but the backbone of that study was a survey of individuals reporting sexual assault and/or rape incidents.

i don't agree with the study in that article, but i can at least address it b/c it's using data. you're making claims without data, and then when your analysis was criticized, by Russian, you're using the fact that there is no data as a defense of your point

now to address the article/study

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but don't claim to be some arbiter of truth when you have your mind made up before you even click the link.

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so i must accept the studies proving your point or i've "made my mind up"

i've already read dozens of articles discussing that survey over time. just because i already know the arguments (B/c i'm well researched) doesn't mean i've "made my mind up". it just means that i'm prepared to have a discussion based on fact and not logical leaps without data or "gotcha" attempts

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well your point was a "gotcha" trying to show some "shelter reporting" study...but the backbone of that study was a survey of individuals reporting sexual assault and/or rape incidents.

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It wasn't a gotcha. You people would dispute that 2+2=4 if a liberal said it. There are literally dozens upon dozens of studies that show that rapes are underreported. This isn't a controversial issue here but you want to fight it because you have an agenda. And you wonder why some people label the right as anti-woman?

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i've already read dozens of articles discussing that survey over time. just because i already know the arguments (B/c i'm well researched) doesn't mean i've "made my mind up". it just means that i'm prepared to have a discussion based on fact and not logical leaps without data or "gotcha" attempts

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and i suppose next you're going to tell me that all these studies are apart of an international conspiracy to get more grant funding or whatever?

sorry fellas this is why you have Zero in office, the unbelievable war on women from the GOP its so fricking stupid and self destructive it will pave a yellow brick road to the white house for hillary, then I have to deal with another anti 2A president. Motherfricker!!!!

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sorry fellas this is why you have Zero in office, the unbelievable war on women from the GOP its so fricking stupid and self destructive it will pave a yellow brick road to the white house for hillary, then I have to deal with another anti 2A president. Motherfricker!!!!

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Truth. Playing right into the Democrat's hand.

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and i suppose next you're going to tell me that all these studies are apart of an international conspiracy to get more grant funding or whatever?

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no, but the studies are slanted to seem more shocking. it's human bias and not terribly shocking

again, look at the breakdown in the "college" survey. 1 in 7 isn't as sexy as 1 in 5, so they go with 1 in 5

i mean if you don't think a women's rights group is going to slant their studies to make their cause seem more needed, then i guess you're going to praise all oil-funded studies on global warming, too, without question?

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and in the process allowed me to give you a perfect example why women feel the right is out to get them.

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2 women have posted in this thread. they both agree with me.