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re: The reason I prefer DeSantis over Trump is easy for me.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:27 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:27 pm to GumboPot
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I know healthcare is a big issue for many people but its like number 10 on my list so I don't give it much attention.
Cool. It was still a failure for Trump.
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:27 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Swindling people out of their money isn't an admirable trait for someone who claims to represent the working class.
So donors to Trump are being swindled but donors to DeSantis, McConnell, Biden, Obama, Clinton, etc. are not?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:27 pm to GumboPot
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Hardly no one is donating to the RNC and directly to DeSantis like they are donating to Trump. Trump has over $250 million in campaign funds on hand and that was at the beginning of summer.
You post this like it's a positive for Trump. It's a f'n disaster for the country, and it's weird that a really bright guy like you doesn't see it that way.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:28 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Cool. It was still a failure for Trump.
Can you explain how he failed in a couple of sentences?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:29 pm to Morpheus
That’s a lot of words.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:31 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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McCain voted according to the wishes of the people he represented.
This is as false as a statement can get.
McCain used to vote according to the wishes of the people he represented. Then he got all stupid.
He lost a lot of respect with us voters when he pulled the ACA BS. The voters hated that so much that he is still not spoken of in a good way around here.
Trump broke him.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:32 pm to GumboPot
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Can you explain how he failed in a couple of sentences?
"We have essentially repealed Obamacare, and will come up with something that will be much better, whether it’s block grants or whether it’s taking what we have and doing something terrific."
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:32 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Well there is a guy with the last name of Musk who said he would donate. Now that can change but I think having the most wealthy powerful influential person in the world in your corner is a good thing. They both currently are working on other stuff but when DeSantis announces these straw votes for Trump will change when there is a more realistic challenger mentioned and people start looking into Ron and what he has done and exactly how he has done it.
I like Trump but if and when there is a debate I think DeSantis shows humanity and sensibility to his refined approach and gets the nod.
I like Trump but if and when there is a debate I think DeSantis shows humanity and sensibility to his refined approach and gets the nod.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:36 pm to David_DJS
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You post this like it's a positive for Trump. It's a f'n disaster for the country, and it's weird that a really bright guy like you doesn't see it that way.
I feel like the big support for DeSantis is mostly do to style. DeSantis communication skills are far superior to Trump. I get that. Trump totally frustrates me when he speaks on policy issues. He never finishes a thought or gets into detail.
At the same time I just want people to recognize that DeSantis has a blind spot in terms of border, trade and foreign policy. These three areas are the uniparty trinity. Through these policies money flows.
I'm not worried about DeSantis is any other way. In fact I think he will be great on taxes, social issues, crime and judges.
I just want Trump to win four more years to break the uniparty back on border, trade and foreign policy. After that then DeSantis can take over for 8 years.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:36 pm to ssgrice
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He lost a lot of respect with us voters when he pulled the ACA BS.
Six percent of Arizona voters supported what Republicans came up with.
Six.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:38 pm to GumboPot
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So donors to Trump are being swindled
Correct. He's an objective failure. People are being sold lies in exchange for money.
I don't know how else to describe it.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:39 pm to GumboPot
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Another thing you "DeSantis guys" have to deal with. Hardly no one is donating to the RNC and directly to DeSantis like they are donating to Trump. Trump has over $250 million in campaign funds on hand and that was at the beginning of summer. The RNC has to give to many GOP candidates so the money is spread thin. DeSantis can spend his campaign contribution on himself but he as to rely on big donors. They will want something in return.
Where are you getting this from? Last I saw Trump and DeSantis had about the same amount in their war chests. Its true DeSantis has an election to win but he is expected to cruise to victory.
I would expect that the big money would line up behind DeSantis before Trump in a 2024 run. The donor class can work with DeSantis but they cannot abide Trump.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:40 pm to ssgrice
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McCain
In fairness, McCain was never a good or effective politician. He did absolutely nothing in his 30 years in the Senate.
No one should have ever expected anything from him.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:40 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Correct. He's an objective failure. People are being sold lies in exchange for money.
I don't know how else to describe it.
Are people swindled when they donate to other candidates not named Trump?
Was I swindled when I donated to Ron Paul because he lost?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:41 pm to 14&Counting
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The donor class can work with DeSantis but they cannot abide Trump.
Agree.
Now what will the donor class want in return?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:42 pm to GumboPot
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Are people swindled when they donate to other candidates not named Trump?
Sure. Politicians being scumbags isn't new and it doesn't absolve Trump. Him being a bigger scumbag and getting more money also doesn't make him the better choice.
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Was I swindled when I donated to Ron Paul because he lost?
You're confused. It isn't just that Trump lost. He's a failure.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:42 pm to Morpheus
I would vote for DeSantis in the primary, but I will vote for Trump if he wins the primary.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:49 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Six percent of Arizona voters polled supported what Republicans came up with.
True the Republicans did not have a good government insurance replacement plan for ACA.
What the voters wanted was for ACA to be abolished altogether. If the Repubs had a good replacement plan, great. If not then it would have went back to the way it was before ACA.
A majority of the average people paid astronomical premiums under ACA vs prior "company based or private" insurance plans. A family plan doubled or even tripled under ACA. The voters were pissed.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:57 pm to ssgrice
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True the Republicans did not have a good government insurance replacement plan for ACA.
What the voters wanted was for ACA to be abolished altogether. If the Repubs had a good replacement plan, great. If not then it would have went back to the way it was before ACA.
A majority of the average people paid astronomical premiums under ACA vs prior "company based or private" insurance plans. A family plan doubled or even tripled under ACA. The voters were pissed.
Yep, and that loops back to my original point. ACA repeal failed before McCain ever voted, and regardless of what Trump says the people didn't want what was being offered.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:57 pm to GumboPot
These were Blind spots for Trump before he was in office too because they didn’t directly affect him until he was President.
DeSantis has been vocal about the border and he wouldn’t have been at a very Red State political rally if he didn’t support border control.
DeSantis has been vocal about the border and he wouldn’t have been at a very Red State political rally if he didn’t support border control.
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