re: The Problem is the Saudis

Please respond so we know you are okay.

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There’s no theological justification for a hereditary kingdom in Islam.

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Correct. So the Saudi Govt is anti-terrorist because the Muslim radicals want to destroy it. That's why the OP oversimplified view is incorrect.

There is a large difference between Wahhabism and early Islamic invasions, which took advantage of the war-weary Byzantine and Sassanian empires, who had spent themselves in fairly constant fighting from 200 AD til the Islamic conquests. After all, it was a Byzantine count who gave the Ummayads ships to cross into Spain, and the Islamic invasions relied on a variety of allies, some of whom converted to Islam, and some of whom didn't.

In the Ottoman case, the 1st siege of Vienna was part of a larger geopolitical struggle, and the siege took place to help the Ottoman backed John Zapolya become king of Hungary, against Austrian Hapsburg claims to the territory. After various Ottoman victories in Hungary, they left Hungary, which caused disarray. If their goal was to conquer and convert, like the early Islamic invasions, why did they leave Hungary after defeating their king? Because in the geopolitical context, the Ottomans wanted to clear their border of a proxy who worked closely with their major rival, the Austrian Hapsburg . The Ottomans would almost certainly have acted in a similar manner if both empires, the Austrian Hapsburg and the Ottoman, were Muslim, as they did with the Safavid Empire at their Eastern frontier.

The lasting success of the second engagement at Vienna was the ability of the Hapsburgs to gain widespread support from Central and Eastern Europe, something they had found little success in prior. But to write off the second battle without its geopolitical context, and instead resort to the antiquated notion of saving Christian Europe, is to ignore what the Ottomans wanted, which wasn't conversion, but vassalization, as they had numerous Christian allies at various points in time, and could have, had they the desire, converted the regions thoroughly.

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Is Hamas Wahabi?

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They are generally considered Sunni Islamists, and are fairly close to the Hanbali school, which is the most fundamentalist school, of which the Wahhabis are a subsect.

Lol no, just that the Bushes are in deep with the Saudis. They even call that one guy Bandar Bush.

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They are Sunni soooooo

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The answer is no. Do any of you read books?

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He tried a gotcha moment and failed big time

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In what way? Your ignorant arse blamed the world’s issues on the House if Saud. I don’t particularly like them but you have demonstrated a complete lack of understanding that regional Muslim groups across the globe have their own motives and goals. Getting rid of the Saudis wouldn’t stop that. Arguably it would make it worse.

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In what way? Your ignorant arse blamed the world’s issues on the House if Saud. I don’t particularly like them but you have demonstrated a complete lack of understanding that regional Muslim groups across the globe have their own motives and goals. Getting rid of the Saudis wouldn’t stop that. Arguably it would make it worse.

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actually thats you showing a complete lack of understanding

the root cause of the problem is the Wahabbi and Salafist movements

Iran is a regional threat whos issues with Sunni nations dates back to before Islam and the battles between the Arabs and Persians.

KSA is essentially using a trojan horse method to spread their version of Islam across the world. That very same version followed by a majority of terrorist groups. Not to mention the amount of funding coming out of the gulf Arab states to support these groups.

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In what way? Your ignorant arse blamed the world’s issues on the House if Saud. I don’t particularly like them but you have demonstrated a complete lack of understanding that regional Muslim groups across the globe have their own motives and goals. Getting rid of the Saudis wouldn’t stop that. Arguably it would make it worse.

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You’re embarrassing yourself.

Muslims don’t have to be under wahhabism to discern from their text to kill infidels.