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The police have ZERO legal responsibility to protect you

Posted on 2/24/18 at 2:55 pm
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
53001 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 2:55 pm
If they want to pass laws that make them criminally negligent for failing to prevent crimes them I’ll be open ears on gun reform...........(never happen in a million years)

Look at the latest abject failure, they might as well have helped Cruz pull the trigger, yet they want your guns and ability to protect yourself.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 3:00 pm to
CNN is so fricking retarded. That fricking kangaroo court they had puts Marco Rubio and Dana Loesch on top (although she said something ridiculous the next day). Dragging out a sheriff every bit as morally deficient and cowardly as Janos Slynt to lecture us? I’m supposed to trust Janos Slynt who is that corrupt with my life and to hand over my gun? Ummm, go frick yourselves. This makes me think now more than ever that I need a gun, because I obviously can’t trust these pussies with my life and certainly not my family.
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 3:02 pm to
quote:


Look at the latest abject failure


Everyone is saying it's a failure for 4 guys to stand down...most likely orders. 1 guy, I got no problem believing it's a coward...4, nope, 1 of them in uniform will be a hero, unless he's told something else.
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
18188 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 3:04 pm to
Most police are only interested in protecting themselves. They don't really have the motivation to protect us.

Like I been saying.. in a life or death situation, we should succeed or fail based on our own actions and ability to defend ourselves.

We should never be put in a position where we're not allowed to properly defend ourselves.. where the "good guy" with the gun , may decide our lives aren't worth saving..
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 3:05 pm to
quote:

Most police are only interested in protecting themselves. They don't really have the motivation to protect us.



The ones that die almost weekly would disagree with you if they were still here.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 3:06 pm to
quote:

Everyone is saying it's a failure for 4 guys to stand down...most likely orders. 1 guy, I got no problem believing it's a coward...4, nope, 1 of them in uniform will be a hero, unless he's told something else.


Since he’s a fan of quoting Tywin Lannister, I’ve got one in return for him:

quote:

When soldiers lack discipline, the fault lies with their commander.


I really want the Janos Slynt image to catch on. The shoe fits perfectly.
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
18188 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 3:07 pm to
Most cops are dying weekly?

Added: so if I'm disarmed.. and call 911, I better hope I luck out and get a cop that will run towards danger, opposed to one that will stand around and watch me be killed?
This post was edited on 2/24/18 at 3:09 pm
Posted by MintBerry Crunch
Member since Nov 2010
5862 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 3:08 pm to
quote:

We should never be put in a position where we're not allowed to properly defend ourselves.. where the "good guy" with the gun , may decide our lives aren't worth saving.


And yesterday an editor at CNN writes how a "good guy with a gun" failed to stop this attack. The comments and tweets tore him up. It was a guy with a gun. The good part was lacking
Posted by TigerBait2008
Boulder,CO
Member since Jun 2008
38582 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 3:08 pm to
Derp
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125784 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 3:09 pm to
quote:

4, nope, 1 of them in uniform will be a hero, unless he's told something else.

Coral Springs PD responded and entered the building. Just Broward SO were pussies.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
19289 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 3:10 pm to
OP is right. Police have no legal obligation to face danger to protect citizens. This was hashed out in the Supreme Court in 2005.
quote:


WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.

The decision, with an opinion by Justice Antonin Scalia and dissents from Justices John Paul Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, overturned a ruling by a federal appeals court in Colorado.


That's from the NYT.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125784 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 3:11 pm to
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The ones that die almost weekly would disagree with you if they were still here.


Fewer cops have died nationwide from gunfire this year than people who died in the school shooting.
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
18188 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 3:12 pm to
The one that entered was motivated, though, wasn't he? His daughter and wife were in there.?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125784 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 3:14 pm to
He was one. I believe other CSPD responded as well.
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 3:15 pm to
quote:

This makes me think now more than ever that I need a gun, because I obviously can’t trust these pussies with my life and certainly not my family.


Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 3:18 pm to
quote:

OP is right. Police have no legal obligation to face danger to protect citizens. This was hashed out in the Supreme Court in 2005.


And they never had before, it was always presumed humans would protect themselves...
Cops were a legalized protection racket originally. Evolved into something slightly more noble.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
19289 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 3:22 pm to
quote:

And they never had before, it was always presumed humans would protect themselves...
Cops were a legalized protection racket originally. Evolved into something slightly more noble.


I didn't read the SCOTUS decision (I am not a lawyer anyway), but what they ruled makes sense on the face of it. It's hard to punish someone for NOT doing something. It would just force every PD in America into endless lawsuits every time some crime victim thought the Cops "didn't do enough." It becomes a slippery slope fast. I have no idea if that was the reasoning of the SCOTUS, but it makes sense to me.

In any case, what they ruled just reinforces the 2nd amendment.
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