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The paradox of tolerance

Posted on 4/14/24 at 1:29 pm
Posted by TN Tygah
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 4/14/24 at 1:29 pm
I always thought total tolerance was literally impossible and over tolerance could be a problem. But I had never heard this term, and I literally just googled “paradox of intolerance” without having heard it, and it’s actually a thing. The reason I looked it up was because the far left preaches tolerance, but look how censorship has changed since the far left lost their monopoly on social media. Elon limits his censorship to what is legal and illegal, and says, accurately, that freedom of speech is most important when you don’t agree with the speech. Because if you only like freedom of speech when you agree, eventually it will turn on you (see Jews who are mostly liberals, and how Harvard’s “freedom of speech” turned on them… despite talking of genocide, bullying and calls for violence never being protected by freedom of speech).

Here’s the wiki definition:

“ The paradox of tolerance states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them.”

We’re seeing this with the woke left. We’re seeing the tolerant Christians be silenced in schools while Palestine is fawned all over, with people completely ignoring the fact that these idiots would vote in Hamas tomorrow just like they did in 2007 if they had the chance.

Tired of it. I’m not even a Christian, but I acknowledge maybe I’m wrong. Maybe Christians are right. Maybe I’ll convert one day. But this country was founded on Judeo Christian values and maybe Christians need to be a little more assertive. I wouldn’t mind one bit if my kid comes home from school saying he’s saved by Jesus and starts praying, as opposed to coming home and thinking he’s fricking trans. Christians outnumber everyone else and even an atheist or agnostic has to acknowledge that people adhering to Jesus’ teachings are typically going to turn out to be rad people.
This post was edited on 4/14/24 at 1:32 pm
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
13909 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 1:35 pm to
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I’m not even a Christian, but I acknowledge maybe I’m wrong. Maybe Christians are right. Maybe I’ll convert one day. But this country was founded on Judeo Christian values and maybe Christians need to be a little more assertive. I wouldn’t mind one bit if my kid comes home from school saying he’s saved by Jesus and starts praying, as opposed to coming home and thinking he’s fricking trans. Christians outnumber everyone else and even an atheist or agnostic has to acknowledge that people adhering to Jesus’ teachings are typically going to turn out to be rad people.

My brother. And here I've been thinking that I was the only Christian Athiest in this world. Glad to see that I'm not alone.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
50253 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 1:37 pm to
As an atheist I say this all the time...

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I wouldn’t mind one bit if my kid comes home from school saying he’s saved by Jesus and starts praying, as opposed to coming home and thinking he’s fricking trans.


If I had to decide, I'd rather surround myself with those horrible "white nationalist christians" than white progressives any day of the week.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Member since May 2020
17649 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 1:52 pm to
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If I had to decide, I'd rather surround myself with those horrible "white nationalist christians" than white progressives any day of the week.



You could fill in Islamic, Hindu and Buddhist nationalists as far as that goes. When it comes to political violence, nothing is as genocidal as a prog.

Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21526 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 2:03 pm to
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Maybe Christians are right.


Which century of Christians are you referring to?

A few decades ago? That's Christianity whose sword had been dulled by centuries of secular thought.

Christianity of the 1600s? 1200s? 800s? I doubt you want to live under those value systems.

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But this country was founded on Judeo Christian values...


Incorrect. Read article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli. One generation after this country our Senate UNANIMOUSLY approved that statement. Pretty sure they know better what this country was meant to be than this board or the preachers they follow.

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I wouldn’t mind one bit if my kid comes home from school saying he’s saved by Jesus and starts praying, as opposed to coming home and thinking he’s fricking trans.


100%.

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Christians outnumber everyone else and even an atheist or agnostic has to acknowledge that people adhering to Jesus’ teachings are typically going to turn out to be rad people.


Also 100% true.

Bear in mind, though, you're comparing thousands of years of Christianity molding itself and improving itself and comparing it to a few decades worth of secularism.

Change the subject slightly, and most of this board would call progressivism a religion. Point out what we're seeing today really isn't secularism, it's some leftist quasi-religion and they'll tell you no, it's 100% secular.
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Member since Jan 2014
27213 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 2:11 pm to
“Tolerance” was never about tolerance. It was about silencing dissent, allowing perversion to dominate the conversation, and greasing the downhill rails on the slippery slope fast-track.

“Libertarians” who say they don’t care about what everyone else does and just want to be left alone are the “good men doing nothing” allowing evil to proliferate, to paraphrase Edmund Burke.
Posted by TN Tygah
Member since Nov 2023
1787 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 2:56 pm to
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Incorrect. Read article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli. One generation after this country our Senate UNANIMOUSLY approved that statement. Pretty sure they know better what this country was meant to be than this board or the preachers they follow.


Semantics and too literal. Our law is based on Judeo-Christian values. You can argue it can apply to something like Hinduism, but it’s much easier to be a Muslim in the US than in India. Little things like restrictions on cow slaughtering to bigger things like 12 out of 28 Indian states that implement anti-conversion laws. shite would never fly in the US.

Also, unlike the part of the intolerant and terroristic Quran that I cited, the New Testament instead says love your enemies. Huge difference. The extent of punishing non-Christians was basically, Jesus would yell at you and say get behind me Satan, or something. Big whoop.

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Christianity of the 1600s? 1200s? 800s? I doubt you want to live under those value systems.



What does this have to do with what the New Testament actually teaches? What does it have to do with the US which was founded in 1776? Nothing. I’m not saying there wasn’t some refining. The constitution was never explicitly endorsing Christian values, but things like sanctity of life, emphasis on family (like idiotic things such as the 14th amendment), etc.
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