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re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted on 1/1/26 at 1:16 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 1/1/26 at 1:16 pm to FooManChoo
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You keep phrasing it like God sends innocent people to Hell simply for not hearing about or for rejecting the message of salvation through Jesus.
The reason the message of salvation is sent in the first place is because all have sinned and are guilty already, and no one deserves salvation.
Imagine a parent whose child is convicted of mass murder. The parent can both love their child as well as desire justice to be done by punishing being done on the one they love.
God does not delight in the destruction of the wicked.
Ah yes, everyone is born into sin. Even though we say protect the children because they are innocent, they are still somehow sinners from the moment they are conceived.
Sucks for all those kids killed by abortion too. Straight to hell!
A parent does not punish for all of eternity, a parent punishes to teach a lesson. Huge difference as your God sends people to be tortured for eternity, and all because they never heard of Jesus.
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There needs to be a standard or source for understanding. You have to have something to understand. What is that something, and how do you find it?
I told you the source. If you think I was given a list of commandments, you are wrong. I was given understanding on why those things need to be followed. I was not given any direction or told to do anything. I was just shown the truth, and from that I understood why. God does not give the way men do.
A standard is only needed to express it between 2 people who have understanding. If I was talking to a Muslim, I would speak to them in terms they understood. When I see things that are true, I say so. When I see things that are false, I say so.
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Its not selfish to be thankful for my own salvation. I’m not hoarding knowledge and understanding like you appear to be.
I am sharing the gospel with many right now. I’m sharing it with you right now. I share it in person with many. That’s what Christians are supposed to do, which is why missionaries exist, and why the average Christian shares the gospel with their friends, family, coworkers, and others.
Only God gives understanding. I can not. If the understanding exists within someone, at best I can touch on it.
You are a salesman.
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And once again, no one goes to Hell for being born in a different culture. People who go to Hell do so because they are sinners and they do not want to worship the one true God as they ought. God has never sent someone to on Hell who trusts in Him and His promises.
Again, they deserve justice just like you and I do. No one punished by God unjustly. All are guilty. It is only because of God’s mercy that any are pardoned, and many are.
But only the people who know Jesus get to have someone else die for their sins to avoid going to hell. In fact, that's your entire selling point. It doesn't matter what I say, you always end up claiming I have to believe in the sacrifice of Jesus to be saved.
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If you consider billions of people “a few”, perhaps you are deficient in math.
No one is innocent. Why do you keep insinuating that God punishes innocents when all are sinners and break God’s law.
You may not like that God is just and holy, but that doesn’t change that He is.
No, you are the one claiming God punishes people unless they have Jesus regardless of how they live their life. It is once again your entire selling point on why I need to believe Jesus died on the cross.
I tried to point out to you that it was actually about following the truth and the way, of which is available to everyone who seeks it and that God will teach you what you need to find the way. Of which is universal and available to all people regardless of when they walked the earth, or what culture they belong too.
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I don’t know you are referring to. I’m talking about both hands: God is loving and merciful, but He is also holy and just.
I'm sure you feel this way because you feel like you got a pardon, and everyone else wasn't even offered one. Would you still feel this way if you didn't get a pardon and you were destined to hell no matter what you did on this earth because you had no idea Jesus was even a thing?
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Posted on 1/1/26 at 1:25 pm to 3down10
quote:All of it is true. I supported my statements previously. Paul doesn't contradict Jesus.
None of this is true
quote:I'm not ignoring anything. Jesus taught belief in Him saves, and being saved means also doing the good works that a saved person will do as evidence of their salvation.
You ignore the parts of things like John 14 and then you just put the Paulline doctrine on top of it. To claim you aren't applying Paul's teachings is a straight out LIE.
Paul says the same thing. He said that you are justified by faith apart from works of the law, but we are saved (justified) unto good works. You seem to be ignorant of the Bible because you only gravitate to parts that already support some false view that you hold.
Paul and Jesus are not at odds with one another, because both Jesus and Paul speak of faith and works being part of the Christian life. Faith justifies, and works prove it.
quote:Say who?
I was given understanding of creation itself. I am that I am, I always have been, I always will be. I'm not part of this creation and I am fully aware of that fact. Consciousness is not part of this universe, it only exists because God makes it exist.
I have understanding that all people--including you--are part of creation, and that God alone is not part of creation. Jesus created all things as God, and you are not God. You and I have competing truth claims. How would someone know that your claim is correct?
quote:Says who? And what is the purpose of all that?
Did you know creation was actually static and time isn't real? Did you know all things which are possible exist? Did you know there is a real and actual path you take through creation? From different physics to basically everything you can imagine and more.
quote:No, that's not what God's omnipotence means. God can do all that is possible according to His holy will. God cannot stop being God. God cannot sin. There are things that God cannot do, but that doesn't mean He lacks all power.
Do you think it possible for God to create an object he can't move and still be all powerful? It is. In fact, that's what makes life possible.
quote:According to who/what?
Why? Because the real power is choice.
quote:So what? Atheists believe the same thing. You can do whatever you want and have to face whatever consequences come your way. So what?
And that's also what determines your path through creation. Every choice you make changes/determines your path. You can decide to go rob a bank tomorrow and your creation will take you through a path that is much worse, likely prison time etc. You can decide to go out and help someone, and your path will be completely different. Both of these exist in creation, which becomes reality is your choice.
quote:That's nonsensical and lacks meaning. It seems you are saying that there are an infinite number of realities where everything that could be exist in one of those realities somewhere. 1) Says who? And 2) Who cares? What I do in this life and the actions I take either has no bearing on what happens in other realities if you are correct, or if it does, I can't possibly know about it.
Our perspective of this is linear, but creation is far from that. There are higher dimensions of geometry and things that can show whats around us. Decisions like I mentioned above are "close" and thus easier to obtain. However the reality where I am president of the US is far away, and would require large/extreme jumps "sideways", or even "backwards". But our paths are always in front of us.
quote:Why, and who cares? If I want to see the world destroyed, why is that a bad path to take? What if I enjoy suffering and misery. What if I want to see others suffer? Why isn't that a good and valid path to take for me?
As such it's up people to be the change they want to see.
quote:According to who? You seem to be redefining what Hell actually is, because the Hell revealed by God is a place of eternal, conscience torment, without escape. You seem to be describing another concept that includes the possibility of escape. Where did you learn that if not revelation from God, and if such revelation comes from God, then how can others get it if God doesn't appear to them, or if we don't listen to you as a prophet?
Is everyone destined to spend eternity in "hell" as you claim? Not really. However, it is definitely a path people can take as a result of their decisions. It's not eternal unless God just has mercy on them and destroys their soul. Mostly it's a matter of how far into hell someone must get before they learn and change their path. No matter what state someone is in, they can ALWAYS start to make the right choices and get on the right path. Not to be confused with the blind eye you worship.
quote:Says who? Where did you learn this revelation and how can others also get it?
You are the result of God putting limitations on himself, the same as moving the rock or not is a choice. That's what your soul/consciousness is, a piece of God. Without that limitation reality/you can not exist, the creation once again will become static and without time. This is the father/son relationship. I know my father is much greater than I am. My flesh is of my parents DNA, but my ultimate being is of the father.
quote:It tells me that you are interpreting the Bible according to your own arbitrary beliefs or personal revelation that hasn't been given publicly to others. You perform what we call eisegesis, which is reading into the text your own ideas, rather than performing exegesis, which is to draw from the text what it is attempting to communicate.
Now, other Christians when I explain this point me to Jesus and the things he said. When he says - that which is spirit is spirit and that which is flesh is flesh, it tells me he understands.
quote:Not at all. I'm explaining to you that WE are terrible; we are sinners who deserve God's wrath for our disobedience, and it is because God is good that He sent His Son to pay the penalty our sins deserve so we can be forgiven for our sins, receive Christ's perfect righteousness imputed to our accounts, and be able to stand before God for eternity to worship Him and glorify Him as the thrice-holy God.
You on the other hand are determined to make me believe Jesus and God is terrible, and that you are special because you worship the death of truth.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 1:36 pm to 3down10
quote:I worship the one who is the Truth. Jesus is the Truth and I worship Him as God based on His public ministry and historical death on the cross for sin. I reject what you have to say because it contradicts this public revelation, and because you have given me no reason to believe your "understanding" is in anything real. You are a person who claims to have received secret knowledge about geometry and time that are unknown to pretty much everyone but you, but claim it's available to everyone. HOW?
You worship the death of truth because you are of the lie and the only way you can live is for the truth to die.
quote:A lot of liars have been killed, as well. People being killed is not an evidence they speak the truth, in and of itself. You need a better standard than that.
That is why all truth tellers are killed. It threatens the satanic forces of this earth and those who benefit from the lie. And they will continue to be killed until people embrace the actual truth.
You also need to define what truth is, rather than just repeating the same "the death of truth..." phrase over and over again. You claim to have all understanding but are not actually helping anyone understand anything. Is it because you lack the ability to do so, or because you don't actually want to share this "understanding" of yours?
quote:I care about saving others, otherwise I wouldn't share the truth with you or others at all. I've said this many times already, so why aren't you understanding?
If the truth must die in order for me to live, then I do not want to live. If I can not live in truth, then life is not worth living. I would rather die like those before me who followed the truth instead of the lie. You only care about saving yourself.
Also, who cares what you want to do? If you're right and the Bible is wrong, then it seems life is arbitrary and whether one lives or dies, it doesn't really matter at all. Who cares if I go down this path or that path?
quote:Nice retort. You aren't even trying now.
Blah blah blah.
quote:It exactly is. The rest of the Scriptures prove this. Following Jesus by faith and rely not on your own works and reject all of your idols, and you will be saved.
The bottom line is his message is not the same as yours.
quote:Jesus is a better teacher than me because His knowledge is perfect, and He knows the hearts and minds of others, since He is God. I don't know the motivations of others so I can only share what God has shared through His Word.
You would not tell the rich man the same things Jesus did.
quote:That's what Jesus taught, actually. He told the tax collector to not quit his job, but to only collect what was lawful to collect. He told His disciples and others to pay taxes. He performed a miracle to get a coin to pay the temple tax, even though the temple was being run and maintained in corruption by corrupt men.
You tell the rich man to pay taxes and titles to those who benefit from the lie, and that disobedience to that is disobedience to God.
If you want to use the Bible to argue against Chrisians, you should at least read it.
quote:Faith is not easy. Obedience is not easy. Putting sin to death is not easy. The Christian life is not easy, but requires reliance upon God for all things.
There is a good reason why I reject your "easy" way.
You reject Christianity because you have been deceived.
This post was edited on 1/1/26 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 1/1/26 at 1:39 pm to FooManChoo
Good luck with your death cult guy.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 2:05 pm to 3down10
quote:Theologically, all are sinful because of original sin. That's a biblical teaching, whether you agree with it or not.
Ah yes, everyone is born into sin. Even though we say protect the children because they are innocent, they are still somehow sinners from the moment they are conceived.
When we speak of protecting children (from abortion, for instance), we're talking about civil innocence, not spiritual innocence. We typically allow if not support death penalty for criminals, war against evil nations, and self-defense against those who want to harm us, because killing in those instances is directed towards criminally-guilty parties. Children are not typically falling into that category.
Spiritual guilt is different. All are spiritually guilty due to the covenant of works God made with Adam and all his posterity as their federal head.
quote:The wages of sin is death, unfortunately. It behooves all people to fight against the evil practice of abortion.
Sucks for all those kids killed by abortion too. Straight to hell!
quote:A parent doesn't punish for all eternity because parents are not eternal beings; they are created, temporal beings, and lack the authority from God to make such judgements. Only God has the prerogative to punish eternally, and He does so because each sin is a crime against an eternal God with eternal weight and offense associated with it.
A parent does not punish for all of eternity, a parent punishes to teach a lesson. Huge difference as your God sends people to be tortured for eternity.
That's all against the point I was making, though. My point was that it isn't unloving to seek justice, even against those that you love. The same holds true for God.
quote:You have to be purposefully lying at this point. I've corrected you several times and you're still saying something false.
and all because they never heard of Jesus
quote:That is nonsensical. You've been given understanding about something that is unknown? You were told to obey the commandments without being told which commandments to obey? How can you even know if you're being obedient and keeping the commandments if you don't know what they are? How can others like me keep these commandments if you can't even tell me what they are?
I told you the source. If you think I was given a list of commandments, you are wrong. I was given understanding on why those things need to be followed. I was not given any direction or told to do anything. I was just shown the truth, and from that I understood why. God does not give the way men do.
It sounds like you weren't given all understanding, but only partial understanding, and left in the dark like the rest of us.
quote:Truth, itself, requires a standard. How can you judge something as true (in order to say it is true) unless you know what truth is to begin with? That's what the standard is for. It's the measuring stick you can hold things up against to know if it measures up.
A standard is only needed to express it between 2 people who have understanding. If I was talking to a Muslim, I would speak to them in terms they understood. When I see things that are true, I say so. When I see things that are false, I say so.
You are speaking irrationally, and because your message doesn't comport to reality, I have every right to be skeptical of it. And that isn't even judging it according to God's revelation in the Bible, which you already stand condemned against.
quote:How can you say that your understanding is available to everyone if God doesn't do the same thing to me or anyone else that you claim He did for you? Without this understanding, what's the point? What's the point with that understanding?
Only God gives understanding. I can not. If the understanding exists within someone, at best I can touch on it.
quote:What am I selling and what is the cost? I'm offering the truth of salvation in Jesus Christ for free.
You are a salesman.
quote:Correct, just as only those criminals who have an offer of pardon from the king can avoid their sentence. No criminal deserves a pardon if they are guilty, and no sinner deserves pardon for sins because we are all guilty.
But only the people who know Jesus get to have someone else die for their sins to avoid going to hell.
[/quote]In fact, that's your entire selling point. It doesn't matter what I say, you always end up claiming I have to believe in the sacrifice of Jesus to be saved.[/quote]I'm not selling anything. You will either believe the truth or you wont.
It's true that you must believe in Jesus to be saved, but again, it's not a threat, but a warning of an imminent reality that you area a sinner and on your way to Hell as a just punishment for your sins against your creator, and God offers mercy through Jesus Christ, paying the price for you, if you receive it by faith. That is the good news of the gospel: you don't have to buy or earn your salvation, because God has already done everything necessary. All you have to do is accept that as true.
quote:You still don't understand, which is ironic considering you are the one claiming to have been given all understanding
No, you are the one claiming God punishes people unless they have Jesus regardless of how they live their life. It is once again your entire selling point on why I need to believe Jesus died on the cross.
What I have been explaining to you is that God punishes people for sins they have already committed and for the sin of Adam, their representative apart from Christ. All are already guilty before the message of salvation comes to them. To reject that message is another sin, but not the sin that condemns, for we are all condemned already apart from Jesus. The offer of Christ is the cure, not the disease.
quote:How? Who else has received this same revelation as you? I certainly haven't, and you haven't even shared it with me, because you don't even know what that way is. You say to keep the commandments but don't even know which commandments need to be kept. How can I follow the truth and the way if I do what you've said?
I tried to point out to you that it was actually about following the truth and the way, of which is available to everyone who seeks it and that God will teach you what you need to find the way. Of which is universal and available to all people regardless of when they walked the earth, or what culture they belong too.
quote:Many, many others have been pardoned, too. I'm not alone in that. This isn't exclusive to me, which is why I keep telling YOU that YOU need to repent and trust in Jesus for the same pardon for sin! It's available to YOU right now!
I'm sure you feel this way because you feel like you got a pardon, and everyone else wasn't even offered one. Would you still feel this way if you didn't get a pardon and you were destined to hell no matter what you did on this earth because you had no idea Jesus was even a thing?
If God didn't save me, I'm sure I wouldn't feel as I do now, because believing the truth requires an act from God, not man, changing a heart of stone into a heart of flesh, and opening the eyes of the blind and the ears of the deaf. But now that I know the truth, I'm sharing it with you and others. And no, I'm not just saying I have knowledge about some abstract truth that I cannot even define, but that the truth is tangible, real, historical, and free of charge. That offer is for you. Repent of your sins and believe in Jesus Christ for pardon of your sins.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 2:07 pm to FooManChoo
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Theologically, all are sinful because of original sin. That's a biblical teaching, whether you agree with it or not.
When we speak of protecting children (from abortion, for instance), we're talking about civil innocence, not spiritual innocence. We typically allow if not support death penalty for criminals, war against evil nations, and self-defense against those who want to harm us, because killing in those instances is directed towards criminally-guilty parties. Children are not typically falling into that category.
Spiritual guilt is different. All are spiritually guilty due to the covenant of works God made with Adam and all his posterity as their federal head.
People are born in ignorance which leads to sin, they are not born in sin.
These types of things you'll never understand, so good luck with your death cult.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 2:07 pm to 3down10
quote:It's not a death cult. It is the path to everlasting life. If you want to live eternally in the glorious presence of our loving God and creator, you need to stop trusting in some vague notion of obedience to commandments that you don't even know what they are, but trust in the work of Jesus Christ, who obeyed all of the laws given by God in His revelation in the Bible, and will give His earned righteousness to you so you can stand before God clean and pure.
Good luck with your death cult guy.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 2:09 pm to FooManChoo
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It's not a death cult. It is the path to everlasting life. If you want to live eternally in the glorious presence of our loving God and creator, you need to stop trusting in some vague notion of obedience to commandments that you don't even know what they are, but trust in the work of Jesus Christ, who obeyed all of the laws given by God in His revelation in the Bible, and will give His earned righteousness to you so you can stand before God clean and pure.
I'd rather die.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 2:10 pm to 3down10
quote:According to who? God, in the Bible, reveals that all are conceived in sin, and born in iniquity, and are guilty before God from the beginning.
People are born in ignorance which leads to sin, they are not born in sin.
All you've provided is your own opinion, not even summarized Scripture as I have. I'll provide each and every reference for you if it would help, but I don't think it will, as you reject the Bible if it contradicts your own vague "understanding".
quote:Did this understanding given to you include a specific teaching about guilt of sin and penalty for it? I'd like to know exactly what the truth is from you. So far, all you've said is that I need to obey commandments that haven't been enumerated for me to know if I'm obeying them.
These types of things you'll never understand, so good luck with your death cult.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 2:11 pm to 3down10
quote:And you will, eternally, if you do not turn from your rejection of the truth and put your trust in Jesus Christ.
I'd rather die.
You complained about those who never heard this message being damned, but you refuse to heed the warning even though I'm sharing it with you directly. Repent and believe in Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins before it is too late for you.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 2:17 pm to FooManChoo
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According to who? God, in the Bible, reveals that all are conceived in sin, and born in iniquity, and are guilty before God from the beginning.
All you've provided is your own opinion, not even summarized Scripture as I have. I'll provide each and every reference for you if it would help, but I don't think it will, as you reject the Bible if it contradicts your own vague "understanding".
The bible was written by men. It's not the word of God and you would only believe it because you've never known the real thing.
quote:
Did this understanding given to you include a specific teaching about guilt of sin and penalty for it? I'd like to know exactly what the truth is from you. So far, all you've said is that I need to obey commandments that haven't been enumerated for me to know if I'm obeying them.
I explained to you earlier how creation works and how the path works.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 2:21 pm to FooManChoo
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And you will, eternally, if you do not turn from your rejection of the truth and put your trust in Jesus Christ.
I am that I am.
quote:
You complained about those who never heard this message being damned, but you refuse to heed the warning even though I'm sharing it with you directly. Repent and believe in Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins before it is too late for you.
False. I pointed out that what you believe is bullshite. All you offer is a promise of not going to hell if they believe in an idol whipping boy.
As I said, in reality understanding is universal and available to all who seek it, and God will teach you all things regardless of your culture.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 2:31 pm to 3down10
quote:It's the word of God, written down by men, as they were carried along by the Spirit of God. Jesus considered the Old Testament to be the Word of God, even though the writings were written down by men.
The bible was written by men. It's not the word of God and you would only believe it because you've never known the real thing.
What is YOUR standard for truth?
quote:That wasn't much of an explanation. You told me that there is geometry around us and it seems that you were talking of parallel dimensions and universes, but you haven't answered my questions about why that is the case (who says?) and why that matters.
I explained to you earlier how creation works and how the path works
If I don't believe you, what is the result for me? Does anything change in my life based on this understanding? Or is the understanding, in and of itself, the goal?
Posted on 1/1/26 at 2:36 pm to 3down10
quote:You are not God. You don't even know what commandments you are supposed to follow. What god doesn't even know something so important?
I am that I am.
quote:You don't even have a standard to judge whether anything is true at all. You just keep saying something is true or it isn't, but aren't telling me how you know that and why. You don't even know what commandments you are to obey, even though it seems that obeying the commandments is the great truth that we are all supposed to understand.
False. I pointed out that what you believe is bullshite.
quote:That's an offer that God has provided. I'm just repeating what He already taught in His Word. Reject the truth at the cost of your own soul, if you dare. You have been warned.
All you offer is a promise of not going to hell if they believe in an idol whipping boy.
quote:How? Through a personal revelation that you received? I want to know the truth and God put Christianity in my life with the Bible as the source of my understanding. If God wants me to know the truth that is available to all people at all times and in all cultures and the truth is NOT found in the Bible, then why hasn't He revealed it to me yet, though I seek it and seek Him diligently and faithfully in obedience according to what I understand to be true?
As I said, in reality understanding is universal and available to all who seek it, and God will teach you all things regardless of your culture.
How can I know true understanding from understanding, or self-deception in believing a lie? How does one know what is true?
Posted on 1/1/26 at 2:42 pm to FooManChoo
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You are not God. You don't even know what commandments you are supposed to follow. What god doesn't even know something so important?
The father is much greater, but I am that I am.
If you understood the father was in all, you'd understand the commandments.
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You don't even have a standard to judge whether anything is true at all. You just keep saying something is true or it isn't, but aren't telling me how you know that and why. You don't even know what commandments you are to obey, even though it seems that obeying the commandments is the great truth that we are all supposed to understand.
You claim shite like this and then I just go back to ignoring you.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 2:48 pm to 3down10
quote:Jesus could say that because He was God. He had the authority to forgive sins, as God. You don't have that authority, and you are not God.
The father is much greater, but I am that I am.
quote:I believe the Spirt of God indwells His people, but I don't deny the creator-creature distinction as you seem to do. You think that if God is in you, you ARE God. That's not true.
If you understood the father was in all
God is everywhere, but He is not in everything, and He is not everything.
quote:What are those commandments again?
you'd understand the commandments.
You claim to be God and yet you also said that you weren't given the commandments.
How can I understand the commandments if I don't know what they are. Please tell me what they are.
quote:Did you not say that true understanding from God is that we are to obey the commandments?
You claim shite like this and then I just go back to ignoring you.
If you did, what are the commandments we are to obey?
This post was edited on 1/1/26 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 1/1/26 at 3:06 pm to FooManChoo
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Jesus could say that because He was God. He had the authority to forgive sins, as God. You don't have that authority, and you are not God.
How do you know? By what authority do you have to say otherwise? Are you saying you have authority over me, because it sure seems that way.
What do you think a soul is?
quote:
I believe the Spirt of God indwells His people, but I don't deny the creator-creature distinction as you seem to do. You think that if God is in you, you ARE God. That's not true.
God is everywhere, but He is not in everything, and He is not everything.
We are not the father because we are limited in order to have the experience of life. Without those limitations creation is static and without time.
It's why you can't really see God in full because you would cease to exist due to your limitations being removed.
God is everywhere in the sense that creation comes out of consciousness, not that God is part of creation.
A good way to understand this is with a video game. Your consciousness enters into another reality and you become a character within that game. However, you are not really part of that video game. While in that video game, you are limited to the rules of that universe/world, which is required to have the experience. Without those limitations, their is no experience. So is that character you, or do you understand that what is spirit is spirit and what is flesh is flesh? If you die in that world, you do not experience the 2nd death.
I know I am not part of this world, I know I am limited and I know the father. Thus the father is much greater than I am.
I'm also here by choice.
quote:
What are those commandments again?
You claim to be God and yet you also said that you weren't given the commandments.
How can I understand the commandments if I don't know what they are. Please tell me what they are.
That's not what I said at all. Once again I already told you how creation works, you ignored it.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 3:21 pm to 3down10
quote:Jesus proved His authority by might works, and teaching consistently with the Scriptures.
How do you know?
You don't even claim to be a prophet. You haven't claimed to have done any public miracles. You reject the revealed word of God and claim a special understanding that I'm still not sure how anyone else can obtain. You also do not speak as someone with authority, as was said of Jesus.
quote:The Bible is the word of God and is the highest authority over all.
By what authority do you have to say otherwise? Are you saying you have authority over me, because it sure seems that way.
No I'm not saying I have authority over you. I'm saying God's word has authority over you and me, and I am submitting to it while you are rejecting it.
quote:The immaterial component of our persons, joined with our physical bodies for now.
What do you think a soul is?
quote:Says who?
We are not the father because we are limited in order to have the experience of life. Without those limitations creation is static and without time.
quote:God is a Spirit, which is why I can't see Him. He did take on a human nature so He could be seen, though He is in Heaven right now, so the only ways to see Him are if He revealed Himself to me through a vision (which He doesn't do any more), or if I died and went to see Him.
It's why you can't really see God in full because you would cease to exist due to your limitations being removed.
quote:How so? What does it even mean that creation comes out of consciousness? Does an immaterial consciousness of God manifest an observable space that is not real, or does God create matter from nothing, as the Bible teaches?
God is everywhere in the sense that creation comes out of consciousness, not that God is part of creation.
quote:What is the point of life, then? To merely experience it?
A good way to understand this is with a video game. Your consciousness enters into another reality and you become a character within that game. However, you are not really part of that video game. While in that video game, you are limited to the rules of that universe/world, which is required to have the experience. Without those limitations, their is no experience. So is that character you, or do you understand that what is spirit is spirit and what is flesh is flesh? If you die in that world, you do not experience the 2nd death.
I know I am not part of this world, I know I am limited and I know the father. Thus the father is much greater than I am.
quote:I suppose you can choose to kill yourself at any time, but that will just expedite your eventual eternal damnation.
I'm also here by choice.
quote:I'm trying to understand what these commandments are. Why don't you answer my questions about that?
That's not what I said at all. Once again I already told you how creation works, you ignored it
Posted on 1/1/26 at 3:34 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
The Bible is the word of God and is the highest authority over all.
No I'm not saying I have authority over you. I'm saying God's word has authority over you and me, and I am submitting to it while you are rejecting it.
It's not.
And you are claiming authority in the name of the book.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 4:46 pm to 3down10
quote:It is. That which is from God has God's authority, and there is no authority that is greater than God.
It's not.
quote:I'm not claiming authority for myself. I'm simply explaining the truth from God, which is authoritative over both you and me.
And you are claiming authority in the name of the book.
What are those commandments that I'm supposed to follow and obey, 3down10? You said that I'm supposed to follow the commands of God. What are they so that I can follow them?
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