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re: The Inevitable breakup of the United States
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:16 am to AnarchySupporter
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:16 am to AnarchySupporter
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Heck if it was against Mexico then Mexico would instantly have millions of potential sleeper agents across the entire U.S. Everyone laughs when the Mexicans in the U.S. cheer for Mexico against the U.S. in soccer, but where would their loyalties lie if the U.S. and Mexico declared war on each other.
Did you read Barbara Tuchman's The Zimmerman Telegram recently?
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:19 am to AnarchySupporter
quote:Yes he does, they're both Americans.
A white rancher in Oklahoma has nothing in common with a black broadway performer in NYC
And I adamantly disagree with your desire to diminish that significance
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:20 am to AnarchySupporter
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I honestly though Obama would try to declare a National Emergency to stay in office
Honestly, you're an idiot.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:22 am to red racker
Is it possible? Sure, is it likely though? Not a chance at least not in our lifetimes. Any multi-ethnic, multi-religious state stands the increased chance falling apart. All we have to do is look at the former Yugoslavia to see that. What we should caution against is the slide to ethnic nationalism/identity/religious politics on both sides. Once you let ethnic nationalism out of the bag (Say Serb Orthodox, Croat Catholicism, or Islam in the case of Bosnia/Albania/Kosovo) it is almost impossible to put it back and almost always leads to horrific results.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:22 am to Ralph_Wiggum
quote:While I agree it's highly unlikely, I'm curious as to what you perceive would be the downside of letting a few million self-identifying racists voluntarily give up their US citizenship (as well as their influence on the political process).
You white nationalists can dream about your own white nation but it won't happen.
Seems like it would be worth it to give them a few hundred square miles in the middle of nowhere to get them out of the rest of the the nation's hair, expecially with the understanding that they would be cut out of Social Security/Medicare/etc. for the rest of their lives.
You're never going to change their minds, and so long as they have the vote there will always be a chance of something like Trump happening. Why are you so apparently so dead set against letting them leave of their own accord?
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 9:24 am
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:23 am to AnarchySupporter
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This whole election cycle has shown just how far off the deep end the left has gone.
It is the Deep State, not the "left" that is the problem.
And YOU, of course are a problem.
Apparently, you can't see what Lincoln saw:
“We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.”
- A. Lincoln 3/4/61
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:24 am to funnystuff
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A white rancher in Oklahoma has nothing in common with a black broadway performer in NYC
Yes he does, they're both Americans.
And I adamantly disagree with your desire to diminish that significance
Hear hear.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:36 am to AnarchySupporter
Sounds reasonable to me but, as you can see, most people don't want to consider it for whatever reason.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:39 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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Won't happen. Countries that have split recently have split on the basis of language and religion and ethnicity. English and Spanish for example are spread all over the United States. You can be in one block where people are speaking Spanish or Korean in Chicago and New York and Atlanta and then another block where it's English. You can't divided a country based on political ideology since that can change quite easily and through time. You white nationalists can dream about your own white nation but it won't happen. Just keep to your Turner Diaries fan fiction.
Ideology = Culture, RW. When one individual gets up at 5, throws their kids in daycare and goes off to work for their prosperity...and another (Democratically-manipulated) subsidized individual lays in bed till 12 and gets up to just folly, with ZERO civic responsibility.......just how long or even why should such a scenario exist?
Nothing to do with Race; though the racial Cultural/Economic/Moral Demographics and empirical scientific FACTS...speak clearly.
Dream on buddy. I was there. Felt good. Until I decided to throw in with honest and responsible brethren for prosperity and progress.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:43 am to AnarchySupporter
Let me know when I can help you and others like you pack your stuff and leave for your Utopia. Good Riddance! Bye! Sayonara! Bon Voyage! Scram! Beat it!
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:44 am to funnystuff
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Yes he does, they're both Americans.
And I adamantly disagree with your desire to diminish that significance
Then get ready to disagree again. You say they are both Americans, but what does being an American really mean anymore? When you mention someone as being French, as being German, or Japanese, you aren't talking about their country, you are talking about their ethnicity, the very blood that runs in their veins. It's something deeper, more personal. The term American is unique in that case in that it's just used to describe someone who lives in the U.S., but has no deeper connection.
Let me ask you this, I don't know your race, but lets say you are white. Do you think you have more in common with a white guy in England or a black guy who lives 200 miles away in a different culture (example: you live in the country, he lives in the city or vice versa). I would argue you have far more in common with the white guy from England.
I don't have to diminish the significance of the term American, the liberals have already done that. Say as much as you want about conservatives, while we hated Obama for 8 years most of us never said we were not proud to be an American. I'm sure some fringe people did but not the majority of conservatives. Now look at Trump's election, a huge amount of liberals are saying they are not proud to be American. Maybe not a majority, but a huge amount. They have already diminished the significance.
This is another reason why I hate the hyphenated American thing and by your comment you should as well, it diminishes the significance of being an American, it makes it secondary. But I'll ask this to you, a Mexican-American who is here and war breaks out between the U.S. and Mexico, which side do you think he chooses?
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 9:52 am
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:47 am to AnarchySupporter
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what does being an American really mean anymore
Sharing the same, shallow consumerist culture.
I didn't used to think this way, but I don't see a future where people like me share living space with people like Shaun King and the people who agree with him.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:50 am to FearlessFreep
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Seems like it would be worth it to give them a few hundred square miles in the middle of nowhere to get them out of the rest of the the nation's hair, expecially with the understanding that they would be cut out of Social Security/Medicare/etc. for the rest of their lives.
That's fine, but I'm assuming you are going to be paying those people back all the social security/medicare taxes that they paid into the system? Unlike the income tax with society security and medicare taxes that's meant to be paid so that you receive it back in retirement. So I'm sure a lot of people would agree with your terms assuming they get all the social security/medicare taxes they have paid for years back. Otherwise get ready for a lot of lawsuits.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 10:05 am to AnarchySupporter
quote:Nope. SCOTUS ruled that FICA payments weren't the property of the payee way back in 1960. As former US citizens they would have no right to be compensated for them.
Unlike the income tax with society security and medicare taxes that's meant to be paid so that you receive it back in retirement. So I'm sure a lot of people would agree with your terms assuming they get all the social security/medicare taxes they have paid for years back. Otherwise get ready for a lot of lawsuits.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 10:09 am to FearlessFreep
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Nope. SCOTUS ruled that FICA payments weren't the property of the payee way back in 1960. As former US citizens they would have no right to be compensated for them.
If you want those deplorables gone so badly then why not just reach a settlement. Pay those people a few million to equal what they paid in. If you want them gone so bad then that amount of money would be next to nothing. The fact is they paid those taxes while citizens so they are entitled to some benefit from the money they paid into the system.
Of course you are probably a liberal so you never met a tax you didn't like. Fleece the taxpayer for every cent they have, and you wonder why the country is in bad shape.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 10:10 am
Posted on 1/16/17 at 10:12 am to AnarchySupporter
The extremists on the left and right are a funny lot. They say and act the same just with different view points. How miserable it must be to be obsessed with the other side so much that you make things up out of fear. We in the middle elect presidents. Tump is now going to give it a whirl, he better get it done or he's a one termer or gone even before that. Time will tell.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 10:14 am to AnarchySupporter
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Of course Obama would never go to Appalachia where he has eliminated all their jobs and is hated.
Other than moonshinin and fuedin, what do people do in Appalachia?
Posted on 1/16/17 at 10:34 am to AnarchySupporter
What you really want is the united States to be what it was originally meant to be. The federal government needs to take a step back. I don't think that they ever willingly cede power back to the states where it belongs. The forefathers were afraid that this would happen. The fed gov is tyrannical in nature and there will be conflict eventually.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 10:41 am to Jake88
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Your user name suggested you were a dim bulb, this statement confirms it.
Why? At this stage of the game, I wouldn't put it past ANYTHING the left would attempt...
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:09 am to bencoleman
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What you really want is the united States to be what it was originally meant to be. The federal government needs to take a step back. I don't think that they ever willingly cede power back to the states where it belongs. The forefathers were afraid that this would happen. The fed gov is tyrannical in nature and there will be conflict eventually.
There is always a basic First Premise for any Cultural Paradigm. Such could be Religious/Natural Spiritualist, Ideological/Philosophical, Collectivist/Statist or purely Secular Hedonist. The US Founding and Constitution was based on Individual Freedom, with essential Rights, coming from God and not the Collective. Government was formed to serve the First Principle of Individual Freedom and to secure God-given Rights from any attempts by Outside or Inside Collectivist usurpation.
You are right BC...the Progressive Ideology of Government will never "willingly cede power back", because they (their Ideological First Principle) assumes (subjective preference) that such would be IMMORAL to do so. Like Dylan Roof says..."I had to do it". They will have to kill too, because their subjective *Justice* morality demands it, as to what they see as an injustice.
"Behold, there is a way that seemeth right unto man, but the end thereof is destruction" (Good Book).
Humanity moving forward. The hard way.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 11:17 am
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