re: The Hispanic electorate is an enigma for conservative politicians.

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The arizona id act directly affected them in tangible way.

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you just made a point (in a different thread) that conservatives have to reign in their fringe

this applies to latinos, also (and i use this same argument re: muslims and extremist muslims). if legal, well-to-do latinos did more to help eradicate the illegal immigrant problem, those sorts of measures would never exist. they have to also "reign in their fringe"

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This is a non-emotional reason why hispanic Americans would be justified in thinking that the GOP is biased against them. would it not?

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a. what one state government does is not indicative of "the GOP"

b. it can easily become emotional, depending on the argument. if a person frames their argument in terms of affects on rights, etc, then it's rational. then it becomes about a group or a "war" on -x, then it's emotional. the latter argument was QUITE popular

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i'm wagering it's b/c of most all other groups recently shifting and it's due to social issues

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Well I'd imagine maybe conservatives need to update their game plan and be more libertarian with social issues if they want to attract more voters.

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if legal, well-to-do latinos did more to help eradicate the illegal immigrant problem, those sorts of measures would never exist. they have to also "reign in their fringe"

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saying the tea party should not allow its fringe members to speak for the group is alot different than saying hispanics should actively prevent illegal immigration.

Plus, i dont think reigning in illegal immigration is what turned hispanic against the GOP. I think it was the GOP's message and actions. You keep coming back to that hispanics shouldn't be so emotional, but the gop's argument is often times emotional.

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what one state government does is not indicative of "the GOP"

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It does when talking heads and national figures applaud it.

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saying the tea party should not allow its fringe members to speak for the group is alot different than saying hispanics should actively prevent illegal immigration.

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not really, but this is the second time you've tried to make the same point. groups are groups are groups

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i dont think reigning in illegal immigration is what turned hispanic against the GOP. I think it was the GOP's message and actions.

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message and actions...not related to illegal immigration? like what?

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You keep coming back to that hispanics shouldn't be so emotional

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for the record, i say that every gorup shouldn't make political decisions based on emotional thinking

since Hispanics are included in the larger group, yes i believe it applies to them

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How can conservative candidates convince Hispanics that big government is not the solution?

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You can't beat Santa Claus.