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re: The Founding Fathers really messed up

Posted on 8/24/23 at 4:50 pm to
Posted by fwtex
Member since Nov 2019
3391 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 4:50 pm to
The founding fathers had a lot of great foresight but apparently, they never anticipated politics becoming a trillion dollar industry. They did not anticipate a majority group of people who were gifted with freedom being so willing to give it all away.
Posted by Dandy Chiggins
Member since Jan 2021
795 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 4:51 pm to
This
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 4:56 pm to
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Virtually impossible in some areas. War chests are 20x the challengers because they are obedient.

That a symptom of the real problem, which is an uninformed voting populace. Candidates wouldn't need to spend such ridiculous amounts to grab the attention of voters if voters were organically engaged. And were that to happen, candidates would free themselves from becoming whores and puppets of the elite donor base.
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
11007 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 4:56 pm to
Just want to remind you that until the 17th amendment, State legislatures selected Senators.

Senate = State House

House of Representatives = People's House

So we could talk to our local state rep to evict goofy arse Cassidy if that's what we wanted and not have a system that grossly favors incumbents to life long positions.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
10649 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 5:19 pm to
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I disagree. The Founders got it right by ensuring that the Senate was chosen by state legislatures to represent the interests of the states. Thus, the lobbying groups and other special interest groups who underwrite the bulk of senate campaigns had much less power and sway over politics. Plus, this greatly limited the power of the Federal government and their shoving BS laws down to the states. If this were still in place, we wouldn’t need term limits at all.

The 17th Amendment is what screwed all that up and we would all do well to repeal it.


This is it exactly ….. SM comprehends our history….. one of the worst mistakes ever allowed.

“You are directly over the target, sir …. Charley Mike”



Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33542 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 5:56 pm to
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Not true. We have elections, so vote the cucks out.
Yeah, how’s that working out?
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
11757 posts
Posted on 8/25/23 at 10:00 am to
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fix lobbying too


It would hinder the effectiveness of lobbying
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68544 posts
Posted on 8/25/23 at 10:01 am to
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The Founding Fathers really messed up

No they didn't; they set up a perfect system and the voters fricked everything up.
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