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re: The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals has reinstated Texas abortion law
Posted on 10/9/21 at 8:46 am to wayak
Posted on 10/9/21 at 8:46 am to wayak
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If the Texas law involved any other subject, I would have the same opposition to it. I am concerned about the Texas procedure.
Your side invented the tactic. Now you can reap what you sowed.
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Posted on 10/9/21 at 8:55 am to wayak
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Do you understand that the Constitution does not articulate all of your constitutional rights?
Yes.
I’ll state it another way. Cite me to the provision of the constitution that permits the government the authority to sanction the taking of a human life bc it will prevent another life from attending graduate school.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 8:57 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Your side invented the tactic.
Please, educate me on a prior example of this Texas law.
Another state may have done it before. I do not claim to know everything.
If another state has passed a procedurally similar law, then I oppose it as much as I do the Texas law, regardless of the subject of that law.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 8:58 am to wayak
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Do you understand that the Constitution does not articulate all of your constitutional rights?
I'm no constitutional law scholar, but the US Constitution does not articulate all of your (natural) rights, but it does specifically denote some rights which cannot be infringed by the federal government (constitutional rights). The Constitution is supposed to be a limiting document with regards to the federal govt, and not meant to enumerate all of your natural rights. Some were specifically enumerated because they were the most abused by governments at the time.
Natural rights are those bestowed upon man by their Creator, not a piece of paper. Hint: the right to not get sucked out of the womb prematurely is one of them.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 8:58 am to wayak
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wayak
Abortion loving POS!
Posted on 10/9/21 at 9:08 am to texridder
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odiot-babble
Speaking of…
Posted on 10/9/21 at 9:10 am to wayak
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And while I'm pro-choice, I'm not concerned at all about it, because I believe that if Roe is reversed, you then will see a reaction that you forced-birth folks will not like; you may win that battle, but you're not winning that war.
We might also see promiscuous behavior decline sharply, once gruesomely erasing a pregnancy isn’t as easy as a 30 minute fricking oil change. Like the way things were before infanticide en utero was made legal.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 9:16 am to Vacherie Saint
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We might also see promiscuous behavior decline sharply, once gruesomely erasing a pregnancy isn’t as easy as a 30 minute fricking oil change. Like the way things were before infanticide en utero was made legal.
Exactly
Posted on 10/9/21 at 9:19 am to wayak
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If the Texas law involved any other subject, I would have the same opposition to it.
I don't believe you.
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you forced-birth folks
I really don't believe you.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 9:33 am to wayak
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Please, educate me on a prior example of this Texas law.
Suing gun manufacturers. (Right to bear arms.)
Suing bereaved families for putting up roadside crosses. (Freedom of expression.)
Posted on 10/9/21 at 9:34 am to Wednesday
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I’ll state it another way. Cite me to the provision of the constitution that permits the government the authority to sanction the taking of a human life bc it will prevent another life from attending graduate school
Your question gets into the issue of abortion itself, and as I mentioned above, I'm not going to get into in this thread. The SCOTUS will be considering a challenge to Roe later, and at that time, I'll be happy to get into the merits, and the lack thereof, of the forced-birth position.
In this thread, I'm focusing on the procedural aspects of the Texas law.
As to the Constitution not articulating all of your constitutional rights, please see the 9th Amendment and the jurisprudence thereunder.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 9:36 am to SWCBonfire
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Do you understand that the Constitution does not articulate all of your constitutional rights?
I'm no constitutional law scholar, but the US Constitution does not articulate all of your (natural) rights
It does not articulate any rights.
Your rights do not come from the government. Period.
Your rights come from God/Creator. The BOR specifically sets forth certain rights the government absolutely cannot frick with (1st and 2nd), or set high hurdles to infringe upon them at all (4th and 5th). The 9th covered everything else.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 9:41 am to Vacherie Saint
Barbaric. House Dems Pass Bill Permitting Abortion on Demand THROUGH ALL NINE MONTHS OF PREGNANCY. YES, THEY WENT THERE
BARBARIC: House Dems Pass Bill Permitting Abortion on Demand Through All Nine Months of Pregnancy
An erratic and often appalling week for Democrats closed with more controversy.
By a 218-211 vote, the House passed a bill Friday permitting and “codifying” the right to abort unborn children on demand for all nine months of a pregnancy.
Every Democrat except for Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas) — who was quickly vilified by the hard left — voted for the bill, and every Republican opposed it, cementing the battle over abortion.
After delaying the effort to pass the radical measure for several years, Democrats pounced on the perceived anger over the recent Texas Heartbeat Act to preempt the possibility that the Supreme Court could overturn Roe v. Wade‘s legal philosophy in the upcoming Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization case.
The last pro-life Democrat, who was defeated last year by a pro-abortion nutcase, warned his party of its extremism.
BARBARIC: House Dems Pass Bill Permitting Abortion on Demand Through All Nine Months of Pregnancy
An erratic and often appalling week for Democrats closed with more controversy.
By a 218-211 vote, the House passed a bill Friday permitting and “codifying” the right to abort unborn children on demand for all nine months of a pregnancy.
Every Democrat except for Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas) — who was quickly vilified by the hard left — voted for the bill, and every Republican opposed it, cementing the battle over abortion.
After delaying the effort to pass the radical measure for several years, Democrats pounced on the perceived anger over the recent Texas Heartbeat Act to preempt the possibility that the Supreme Court could overturn Roe v. Wade‘s legal philosophy in the upcoming Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization case.
The last pro-life Democrat, who was defeated last year by a pro-abortion nutcase, warned his party of its extremism.
This post was edited on 10/9/21 at 9:43 am
Posted on 10/9/21 at 9:56 am to wayak
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Your question gets into the issue of abortion itself, and as I mentioned above, I'm not going to get into in this thread. The SCOTUS will be considering a challenge to Roe later, and at that time, I'll be happy to get into the merits, and the lack thereof, of the forced-birth position.
At what point is an American life insignificant enough that due process of law fail to apply to it?
And I Iove how leftists speak in rhetorical questions. It’s bc those are the only ones you’re smart enough to answers
This legal “procedure” you’re claiming causes inconvenience and is so unconstitutional- is actually something CALLED procedural due process. You ignoramus fricking totalitarian.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 9:56 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Suing gun manufacturers. (Right to bear arms.)
Well, I follow your point, but nonetheless the Texas law is distinguished.
When you sue a gun manufacturer, you have standing because you personally have been affected; for example, you have been shot by full auto Cobray MAC-11 sold to someone without a FFL. Just as you would sue someone if they wreck your car after running thru a red light, you are trying to recover for your own injuries. (Note: I'm not advocating suits against gun manufacturers, as that seems to me to be too far removed from the cause in fact of the injuries. But I digress)
The Texas law doesn't do that. It enables private enforcement of a law without injury or standing. If Texas wants to prohibit physicians from performing abortions, that should be enforced by the Texas Department of Health (and local DAs if it is also a criminal law), and not by private citizens.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 10:05 am to wayak
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Yes, that means restrict freedom of speech, guns, etc. by placing enforcement of an unconstitutional law into the hands of its citizens.
Exactly. And how the frick does Joe or Jane Citizen have standing to claim damages for another person's abortion? Should be thrown out preliminary on that ground. Scary precedent.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 10:07 am to Demshoes
Ever hear of a quo warranto process? Same diff
Posted on 10/9/21 at 10:10 am to Wednesday
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quo warranto process
Bruh that's some Sov Cit shite right there. Good luck with that. Look up standing.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 10:12 am to wayak
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the forced-birth position.
That’s a cute fricking way of saying not murdering an innocent life.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 10:14 am to wayak
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So if a state legislature doesn't like a particular constitutional right, then it can just follow the pattern of this Texas law. Yes, that means restrict freedom of speech, guns, etc.
Not even remotely the same. Show me in the constitution where it says specifically u have the right to an abortion. I can show u where idly specifically calls out freedom of religion, freedom of speech, right to bear arms etc
So abortion comes done to an interpretation and application of one of our existing constitutional rights and when the child in the womb is entitled to those rights as well
Eventually technology will render abortion mute. Once you can remove the child from the womb after implantation and the child can survive, abortion is ended.
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