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re: The Democrats' Latest Ploy to Obstruct Kavanaugh's Confirmation

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Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
22801 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 7:50 am to
When the Cohen news broke last week there were multiple Democratic Senators and Congressmen on MSNBC and CNN who said that the Kavanaugh confirmation should be delayed because Trump may have committed a crime. Are you saying that didn't happen because CNS News is extremely right wing?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125509 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 7:54 am to
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Bork was not stalled dipshit, what happened to him has been going on since 1776.


I’d argue that you’re partially correct. I’d also argue that “Borking” didn’t become a lexical thing because it’s been going on since 1776.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 7:57 am to
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Having no legitimate reason to object to Kavanaugh's appointment, Democrats seek the next best thing — to obstruct by deception, delaying his confirmation hearings until after the midterm elections, in which they hope to gain the majority in the House so that they can commence their already planned impeachment proceedings.



You can't postpone the game because you star QB isn't in the game. You play with the men that are on the field.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
48076 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:01 am to
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Bork was not stalled dipshit, what happened to him has been going on since 1776


Only the most purposefully ignorant and mentally defective fanatic could possibly believe what you posted there.

You have earned the award for 'dumbest internet post of the year' award.

Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:20 am to
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Only the most purposefully ignorant and mentally defective fanatic could possibly believe what you posted there.

You have earned the award for 'dumbest internet post of the year' award.


You seem to have forgotten a few things.

Bork was nominated in July and denied in October of the same year.

He was handled badly but not nearly as much so as many before him in our history.

shite like releasing his video rental history was a bit new but in all fairness he thought the southern states had the right to reinstate the poll tax, something that horrified the left, that dumb arse also did himself no favors with his quid pro quo with Nixon over Watergate.

Bork was a shite candidate for the SC seat and Reagan only nominated him because he believed there was no limit on presidential authority and Iran-Contra was blowing up at the time.

At one time you were a level headed poster before joining the mob of idiots, it should be beneath you at your age.
Posted by 9th life
birmingham
Member since Sep 2009
7310 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:21 am to
I agree with his exact quote: "...the Senate Judiciary Committee should immediately pause the consideration of the Kavanaugh nomination"

It may be sour grapes or it may be conditioning to precedent, but given that the Garland vote was held because the president was in his last year of his term, and we lived that year with only 8 justices, it cant hurt to pause for a few weeks to make certain.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112641 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:24 am to
Awesome...

It's like they are trying to get the GOP base out in November for the midterms.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
16983 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:29 am to
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So now we see why Cohen plead to a crime that doesn’t exist?


Right? Why else would a Democrat operative have been providing him with legal representation. I’m sure it was out of the goodness of his heart that he was providing pro Bono service he knew he could recoup by way of a go fund me.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:33 am to
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Garland vote was held because the president was in his last year of his term



You can't see the differences here?


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It may be sour grapes



I think you are right


At least you are honest about it
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42122 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:34 am to
How long can the senate legally hold out on confirmation? And for example if the Dem's became the senate majority, could they just not confirm a candidate for the remainder of Trumps presidency?
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
76935 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:44 am to
The sour grape are worth nothing more than a chuckle before proceeding with the confirmation.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
37671 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:52 am to
I saw one lib media discussion saying potential double jeopardy issues with Manafort as the reason to day Kavanaugh’s confirmation.

Notwithstanding that Manafort’s crimes have Zero to do with Trump.
Posted by americanrealism
Smoking an 8th in the multiverse
Member since Nov 2012
1515 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 9:03 am to
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Are you saying that didn't happen because CNS News is extremely right wing?

Every day here stories and links get dismissed out of hand because they're on CNN, ABC, NBC etc. I come here every day just to laugh at hypocrisy like this.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
48076 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 9:21 am to
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it cant hurt to pause for a few weeks to make certain.


Make certain of what??

The 2016 election was a certainty in terms of the date.

You are implying that Trump "might" be impeached and be in the last year/month/weeks of his term?

This is nothing close to correlateable. This is pure hypocrisy at its most deplorable. McConnell did exactly what Reid would have done had Ruth Bader Ginsburg died during the 2008 election. In fact, the DEMs were so afraid that it MIGHT happen they adopted the "Biden Rule" to ensure that Bush would not be able to replace a stalwart lib activist with a constitutional Justice.

If you deny that, you are living in a self-constructed bubble of ignorance and malevolence.

I sincerely WISH politics in the past half centurys had not devolved into the shite-storm that it has become, but I am also sick of the GOP playing by the "Margquis of Queesbiury" rules while the DEMOCRATs pummeled them with brass knuckles for 50 years.

DEMOCRATs have made politics a mud-fight where they are permitted to do anything they want, but the GOP must be constrained to just sit back and "take it."

I have been sick of if for decades now - Conservatives just want to live their lives under the constitution that was adopted and periodically amended.

YOU want a SCOTUS that will ignore the plain intent of the constitution and construct 'rulings' that bend our governance in accord with the latest mob action or hair-brained 'make more dependents' desire that the DEMOCRATs want to cultivate new voters.

You cannot convince anyone of your agenda. You have to hide it while you whittle away at the underpinnings of our great nation. You want to IMPORT new voters to effectively marginalize the real citizenry of the USA.

Screw you and the DEMOCRAT agenda.
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 9:22 am
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
17494 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 9:22 am to
When are the hearings actually set to begin? I thought we would have been well into them by now?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125509 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 9:26 am to
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but in all fairness he thought the southern states had the right to reinstate the poll tax,


I’ll help you out a little.

From Bork’s hearing:
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BORK: … I have no desire to bring poll taxes back into existence. I do not like them myself. But if that had been a poll tax applied in a discriminatory fashion, it would have clearly been unconstitutional. It was not. I mean, there was no showing in the case. It was just a $1.50 poll tax.

This Congress had just recently drafted and proposed to the States and had adopted an anti-poll tax amendment to the Constitution which this Congress carefully limited to federal elections so as to leave State poll taxes in place if States chose to have them. That seemed to me a little odd, therefore, that the Court would come along and mop up something that Congress did not bother to amend the Constitution to accomplish. Not did not bother; deliberately did not.

The poll tax was familiar in American history and nobody ever thought it was unconstitutional unless it was racially discriminatory. Now, in Harper itself Justice Black—who was hardly a man who was insensitive to voting rights—Justice Harlan and Justice Stewart all dissented from the majority holding. Justice Black said the Court was using the old natural law due process formula to write into the Constitution notions of what it thinks is good government policy. Harper overruled a prior case in which the majority had upheld the poll tax and in that case Justices Black, Frankfurter, Jackson and others upheld the poll tax.

Archibald Cox has said, and I quote, “the opinion seems almost perversely to repudiate every conventional guide to legal judgment,” although he liked the result. I like the result too. I just do not see the legal judgment there. Alexander Bickel made much the same criticism. It is a decision that is hard to square with out constitutional history.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62003 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 9:30 am to
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When are the hearings actually set to begin? I thought we would have been well into them by now?


Two weeks I think.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
48076 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 9:37 am to
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You seem to have forgotten a few things.


You seem to have forgotten the Ted Kennedy/Joe Biden display of rank hysteria and lying attacks on Bork.

Both of these two assholes should have been shunned from polite society after their slanderous outrages.

There is not precedent to what happened to Bork.

If there were arguable opposition because of
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southern states had the right to reinstate the poll tax
or
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???quid pro quo???? with Nixon over Watergate
or
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limit on presidential authority
that surely should have been debated within parliamentary norms and procedures.

Instead what we got was sky-screaming hysteria about back alley abortions and slavery.

Bork made the mistake of honestly answering questions and put the DEMOCRATs in the position of defending their obviously outlandish interpretation of the constitution. Since Bork, you cannot get a nominee to share his real position on any topic. The confirmation process is now reduced to searching out 'gotcha' trivia to blather about.

Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 9:39 am to
Not at all. I just find the reliance upon fringe sources amusing.

Are the Dems likely to be obstructionist? Sure. Does that article read like a propaganda piece? Yep.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 9:44 am to
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From Bork’s hearing:
quote:
BORK: … I have no desire to bring poll taxes back into existence. I do not like them myself. But if that had been a poll tax applied in a discriminatory fashion, it would have clearly been unconstitutional. It was not. I mean, there was no showing in the case. It was just a $1.50 poll tax.

This Congress had just recently drafted and proposed to the States and had adopted an anti-poll tax amendment to the Constitution which this Congress carefully limited to federal elections so as to leave State poll taxes in place if States chose to have them. That seemed to me a little odd, therefore, that the Court would come along and mop up something that Congress did not bother to amend the Constitution to accomplish. Not did not bother; deliberately did not.

The poll tax was familiar in American history and nobody ever thought it was unconstitutional unless it was racially discriminatory. Now, in Harper itself Justice Black—who was hardly a man who was insensitive to voting rights—Justice Harlan and Justice Stewart all dissented from the majority holding. Justice Black said the Court was using the old natural law due process formula to write into the Constitution notions of what it thinks is good government policy. Harper overruled a prior case in which the majority had upheld the poll tax and in that case Justices Black, Frankfurter, Jackson and others upheld the poll tax.

Archibald Cox has said, and I quote, “the opinion seems almost perversely to repudiate every conventional guide to legal judgment,” although he liked the result. I like the result too. I just do not see the legal judgment there. Alexander Bickel made much the same criticism. It is a decision that is hard to square with out constitutional history.



Thanks for the confirmation

the two huge issues here were

1) The "poll tax" is perhaps the biggest dog whistle out there when it comes to disenfranchising minorities, this may be an inaccurate portrayal but he had to be smarter than that when being considered for the SC.

2) A fee to be able to exercise a constitutional right is FUBAR, can you imagine the shite storm if a Dem gets elected and tacks a fee on lets say gun ownership?

Bork should NEVER have been nominated and '80-'86 Reagan would have never considered him, by '87 Reagan had lost quite a few steps to put it kindly.

We are a bit off topic now.

I will stick to my guns though, candidates should be stood up for a vote by both parties in a timely fashion, this holdout nonsense is dereliction of duty regardless of which gang is in power, elections have consequences.
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