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Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:06 pm to roadGator
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Link to solar being competitive for us. I’d like to read info about that.
You wont find it. Solar farms are having trouble getting financing because they have a hard time proving they're profitable
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:07 pm to roadGator
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Link to solar being competitive for us. I’d like to read info about that.
Here you go.
Source:LINK
There is not much talent willing to put their efforts into advancing coal-powered technology. Engineers and scientists are more interested in solar than coal and solar has the advantage of being local-friendly with it being easily installed on your roof and can help provide power during emergencies.
While coal still possess a relatively large presence in the US, the fast growth and advancement of solar (and wind) allow them to be competitive and force the coal industry into a multi-front war.
This post was edited on 1/12/21 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:07 pm to Jbird
this thread show how big of an idiot Lee B is. 
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:10 pm to Lee B
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Why can't they be created with the existing nuclear power plants supplying the energy?
They could. You still need the material though.
Most all your common plastics, PVC, rubber, etc. that nearly everything is built from contains fossil fuel.
My point being even the very items you people push like windmills and solar panels contain what you are trying to get away from.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:11 pm to dbbuilder79
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Personally, I'd love to see regulations that require houses of certain square footage to have solar. If someone can afford a $700,000 house, they can afford $25,000-$30,000 in solar tiles.
shite like this is why SF has the most expensive housing in the world. You require all kinds of nonsense and then bitch about the effects. We don't want your shitty regulations. Stay away.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:11 pm to SmileyVamp
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While coal still possess a relatively large presence in the US, the fast growth and advancement of solar (and wind) allow them to be competitive and force the coal industry into a multi-front war.
The only reason there is solar at all is government subsidies and payment, and restrictions on coal.
Until there is huge improvements in battery technology at scale its a loser. The reason its (solar/wind) around is government.
Hey, I would be competitive with Lebron James in basketball... get him drunk and tie a 100lb. weigh around his legs.
Solar/wind are generally not viable without the government, and generally don't solve much because everything will eventually burn i.e. oil, coals, trees, other biomass, etc.
This post was edited on 1/12/21 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:12 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Don't get me wrong we use solar but not because its viable large scale, for independence.... its very costly.
independence...
if there is a future for this stuff there will not be a giant power plant powering an entire city. Every house and building will power itself.
As it is places like college campuses have their own power plants, like the are tiny cities.
It makes more sense to have traffic lights that collect and store their own energy as they work all day than having them be tied into a grid and inoperable some of the time (they are out all the time in my city).
People used to build houses before the advent of electricity that made use of natural light and passive heat and cooling. Even bothering with thinking about any of that went out the window with the advent of electricity and air conditioning and heat... except it's becoming fashionable with wealthy people now who have custom houses built... the very people who don't need to bother are cutting the money they spend on utilities, the poor will pay more and more to live inefficiently.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:13 pm to Lee B
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Nothing like having flammable water come out of your taps.
I hope this is hyperbole, but you probably believe this.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:14 pm to Lee B
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Every house and building will power itself.
Maybe, wake me up when battery tech doesn't suck.
Every couple of months they talk about new battery tech, never hear about it again. Been like that for 3 decades.
New Battery Tech = Old Cold Fusion Tech
You can go back to old Popular Science magazines talking about cold fusion being right around the corner.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:14 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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The only reason there is solar at all is government subsidies and payment, and restrictions on coal.
Until there is huge improvements in battery technology at scale its a loser. The reason its (solar/wind) around is government.
The same was true of coal, and is true of oil and gasoline.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:15 pm to CarRamrod
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thats all on obama.
It has been noted that the regulations former President Obama established during his administration barely did much to the coal industry compared to natural gas beating it in the energy competition.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:16 pm to Lee B
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inoperable some of the time
Like two weeks of clouds and 8 degree weather?Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:17 pm to Lee B
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The same was true of coal, and is true of oil and gasoline.
LOL
Tell that to Standard Oil.
Solar/wind are nothing new, literally consumer products have been available for about 50 years. Sucks balls then, sucks balls now i.e. battery tech.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:18 pm to Lee B
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independence...
if there is a future for this stuff there will not be a giant power plant powering an entire city. Every house and building will power itself.
I do not contest this.
The issue is we currently are not even close to being ready for us to even consider it. It is unreliable, expensive, and currently there are better options (power plants). As time goes on, technology may push forward and this wet dream of yours may come true. When that times comes, and it proves worthy to move to then I will get behind it. For now, I am not lining the pockets of politicians and companies for the sake of "green energy" that we simply are not ready and can not currently go to. I do not want to be without power like cali for the sake of MUH SoLaR pOwEr Is ClEaN
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:18 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Maybe, wake me up when battery tech doesn't suck.
Every couple of months they talk about new battery tech, never hear about it again. Been like that for 3 decades.
New Battery Tech = Old Cold Fusion Tech
You can go back to old Popular Science magazines talking about cold fusion being right around the corner.
true... but there is resistence to this stuff upsetting the paradigm.
There's a guy with about 10 battery patents... no matter who he finds to sell it to try to get them into production the companies get bought out and dismantled.
Elon Musk is a prick, but the reason he is so despised by a lot of people is that he was too wealthy to be "Tuckered" out of business... and he has managed a miracle in just launching a new automobile company at all, let along an electric one, and... hey, GM is rebranding itself as an electric car company, now!!!
When the market wants it, it will happen. That is how anything works, right?
This post was edited on 1/12/21 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:19 pm to Lee B
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I would rather live next door to a field full of solar panels than a nuclear power plant, personally... how about you?
You're poorly informed. Natural gas is the safest power producing industry, nuclear is close behind it. Oil, coal, and combined solar are much higher in deaths/year (direct and indirect).
Solar produces billions of tons of carcinogenic sludge and other by products. Also, it takes so many more solar panels to equal the output of a nuclear power plant that it's astonishing. Not to mention the materials you need to BUILD the solar panels are polluting the environment.
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But, you say, solar energy is clean, green, and mean – and taking over the world one massive array at a time. Isn’t that what we have all been told? The truth can be brutal.
The average lifespan of a solar panel is about 20 years, but high temperatures (as in the Mojave Desert) can accelerate the aging process for solar cells, and snow, dust, and other natural events (tornadoes, earthquakes),can cause material fatigue on the surface and in the internal electric circuits – gradually reducing the panel’s power output.
Solar panels generate 300 times more toxic waste per unit of energy than nuclear power plants. They also contain lead, cadmium, and other toxic (even carcinogenic) chemicals that cannot be removed without breaking apart the entire panel. Worse, rainwater can wash many of these toxics out of the fragments of solar modules over time.
https://www.cfact.org/2019/09/15/the-solar-panel-toxic-waste-problem/
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:20 pm to Lee B
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That toothpaste was being kept in the tube through forces other than what was really the market... it was a dishonest campaign to keep using coal, made possible by industry pressure, lobbying, subsidies...
yep, but you gonna have a bunch of trumpers in here saying he did everything right and orange man is playing 4d chess lol.
Coal is dead unless they learn to be able to clean up coal to gas.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:21 pm to philter
So if I had to choose I'd rather live next to a nuclear power plant.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 1:21 pm to SmileyVamp
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Alternatives like natural gas and solar have become quite competitive and the technology for these energy sources is fast developing while coal stagnates. In the end, the free market has no interest in coal.
Solar is not competitive in the free market it is barely competitive when heavily subsidized.
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