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re: Texas Is About to Create OPEC's Worst Nightmare

Posted on 11/22/18 at 8:02 am to
Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 11/22/18 at 8:02 am to
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The Saudi’s have to start transitioning their economy to more non Petro industries.


Lol like what? Sand exports? Contract terrorism?
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
52903 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 8:05 am to
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If it's unconventional, then that does nothing to discredit peak oil.


Lol wut?
Posted by cokebottleag
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Posted on 11/22/18 at 8:10 am to
Lol, UT proper gets the same as us, man. UT medical gets the last 3rd.

We’re all still drowning in money
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466262 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 8:23 am to
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With terminals nearly full, Permian barrels could end piling up in the ports of Corpus Christi and Houston.

welp

looks like SWLA will continue to be the sole economic driver of LA
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466262 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 8:26 am to
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We also have several LNG export plants coming online.


Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
14732 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 8:39 am to
Will never forget when OPEC bent us over, the 70s....they could go away tomorrow and it wouldn't be soon enough
Posted by LSUgusto
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 11/22/18 at 8:48 am to
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looks like SWLA will continue to be the sole economic driver of LA
If the projects that are expected to break ground in 2019 actually happen, it's going to be crazy good in Lake Charles, even more than it is now.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
466262 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 9:01 am to
i heard (but not from what i'd consider a reliable source) that the super duper expansion/project that was cancelled a few years ago may be back online. if that motherfricker happens, holy shite.

with offshore getting crushed, this may be the final tipping point in the LC/LAF rivalry
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8748 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 9:18 am to
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This is an interesting post. You sound like a numbers guy.


Ha I’m actually an independent in the business and I see how these public companies spend money the last few years. We will see if I am correct in the next 3-5 years. Always easy to spend other people’s money. Look at the disaster that became of the e & p mlps the last few years.
Posted by LSUgusto
Member since May 2005
19296 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 9:20 am to
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i heard (but not from what i'd consider a reliable source) that the super duper expansion/project that was cancelled a few years ago may be back online.
I haven't heard that, but I did hear Sasol say that the canceled project wasn't the last project they had planned for Lake Charles. So, it could be something else coming that wasn't the canceled project.

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this may be the final tipping point in the LC/LAF rivalry
Laffy has been trying like hell to diversify their economy, and they're making a little progress with the tech things they've got going. But, yeah, with Chennault getting busy, the gaming industry doing better than ever, and the petro-chem developments going on, Lake Charles looks to be closing the gap with them at an exponential rate.

Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 9:24 am to
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How will this impact Tuscaloosa Marine Shale?


Lower prices means it will be more uneconomic.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 9:33 am to
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I tend to think shale oil has been marginally profitable at best although the end result has been positive for the country. I’ve been on working interest sides and seen how capital destructive many of these operators are.


This is mostly true for the early entrants due to the capital spent on building the infrastructure - pipelines, central facilities, etc. However, you can make money in the second wave when you’re just looking at single well economics. The eagle ford is a prime example - lots of capital destruction from 2009-2014, but new entrants are drilling 100% ROR wells with new completions and just plugging into existing infrastructure.

I think the Delaware basin is going to see a lot of losers as it goes through its first iteration. The flippers will make money, the first buyers will lose then the second buyer will cash in.

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Rising interest rates will cut off capital to the shale oil drillers


Private equity filled this gap.

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we will see consolidation into the majors (who are prospect limited now)


I hope you’re right but we haven’t seen this yet - the prior downturn was a huge buying opportunity and the majors sat on their hands.
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8748 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 9:39 am to
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I hope you’re right but we haven’t seen this yet - the prior downturn was a huge buying opportunity and the majors sat on their hands.


I think you’re already seeing some early consolidation with the recent transactions from encana/newfield, chk/wildhorse, Pva/denbury, etc. rising interest rates have definitely made a difference.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 11/22/18 at 9:48 am to
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I think you’re already seeing some early consolidation with the recent transactions from encana/newfield, chk/wildhorse, Pva/denbury, etc. rising interest rates have definitely made a difference.


Those aren’t majors...but, yes, some recent consolidation. I doubt the pva/dnr deal closes with the price drop - deal makes no sense anyway.

The deal you should’ve pointed to was BP/bhp. BP has long stated it’s goal to reenter US domestic and they were one of a few that could make that size acq and deal with all the take or pay issues.
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8748 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 9:52 am to
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Those aren’t majors...but, yes, some recent consolidation. I doubt the pva/dnr deal closes with the price drop - deal makes no sense anyway.


Of course they’re not but just general consolidation among the shale players. Denbury seems like they’re grasping at straws to lower their debt and find lower cost oil than their now mature tertiary fields.

Bp is quietly generating good returns on the east Texas haynesville and it will be interesting to see how they handle the bhp assets. Bhp was definitely not a nimble operator onshore.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 9:58 am to
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just general consolidation among the shale players.


Some fringy, marginal stuff.

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Denbury seems like they’re grasping at straws to lower their debt and find lower cost oil than their now mature tertiary fields.


The problem is the pva EF is marginal. It won’t work in a low price environment either - definitely a straw grasp!

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Bhp was definitely not a nimble operator onshore.


You see big offshore operators constantly flailing and losing money in the onshore unconventional. My theory is that these offshore engineers don’t understand onshore service costs and every price quite looks like an incredible deal!
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 10:59 am to
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OPEC needs to learn to live with it
i had an interesting conversation about this with a friend. i suggested energy independence and he was saying he didn't like this idea because he wants the us to make the m.e. deplete their supply and THEN we can start using our own. then, the us will be in a position to demand any price for oil.

one problem i have with that idea is that we know oil money funds terrorism, at least to some degree. if we cut what we need from them, it hurts terrorism in the here and now.

also, i don't think we need to be totally energy independent. just develop our supply enough to make them pliable when needed. iow, use it as a bargaining chip without going full steam on our own supply. the us economy bears the full weight of developing it's own supply. just develop enough to make them drop their prices and that way, we have the best of both worlds.

just my take
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466262 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 1:47 pm to
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and they're making a little progress with the tech things they've got going

we're beating them in tech, too

has Laffy Taffy had an anything as successful as Waitr?
This post was edited on 11/22/18 at 1:49 pm
Posted by Smart Post
Member since Feb 2018
3539 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 2:11 pm to
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Lol, UT proper gets the same as us, man. UT medical gets the last 3rd.

You don't have any idea what you are talking about. The UT System gets 2/3, A&M System gets 1/3. And not all schools in both systems are eligible, while you have to fund the ag extension service.

Read up on Available University Funds (in general, the interest on the principal), and the set percentages. UT Austin is guaranteed 45 percent of those UT System funds. Plus "excellence funding."

So... Half of that 2/3 goes directly to UT Austin. That equals the entire amount given to the entire A&M System, of which College Station only gets a portion. Do the math.

See page 3
Posted by vodkacop
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
8031 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 10:12 pm to
Hope they got really good security in and around the area. Sounds like the next likely spot for a terrorist attack.
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