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re: Tell me how the PRA doesnt apply to Trump

Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:07 pm to
Posted by Jimmy Montrose
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Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:07 pm to
You and I need to focus on the ballgame. Texas coming back.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:08 pm to
My ballgame ended a few hours ago

Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:26 am to
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Once you understand how, you then understand one of the most overlooked nonsensical aspects to the insufferable DOJ and FBI case that has been pushed in the media for the past year.

The indictment accuses President Trump of withholding documents containing “classified markings,” a very specifically deployed obtuse wording intended to create the implication of something nefarious where nothing nefarious exists. It is entirely possible for a person, any person, especially a person who follows the news, to possess documents containing “classified markings.”



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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:49 am to
Do I need to explain this like I had to explain why Crossfire Hurricane documents being declassified has no relevance to this prosecution?
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:50 am to
I think the issue is the application of the law and that if you're going to indict Trump, then Biden and Pence should be, too. They're criminalizing what would be an administrative dispute for anyone else.

Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:50 am to
For the people in the back of the room clowning and feigning twisted context; near SloFP throwing paper airplanes and spitwads through straws.

There are papers with classified markings. It does not make them classified. And not all of them have TOP Secret crossed out.

Indict the internet



Furthermore, a President certainly cannot be accused of this. Inquire into: the Bill Clinton sock drawer case.

The idiotic Sheldon Whitehouse comparing an AD military guy of carrying classified docs home to a President is insane.

This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 7:53 am
Posted by KiwiHead
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:53 am to
They don't get it, SFP, they just don't.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:59 am to
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I think the issue is the application of the law and that if you're going to indict Trump, then Biden and Pence should be, too.

I fully agree they should all be prosecuted.

Reading the indictment this morning, Trump's bigger concerns are all the other stuff he did around the documents.

The allegations under 18 USC 1512 are pretty strong, for example. The documents could be 100% legal for Trump to possess but they have a strong case he still violated this law (which has up to a 20-year sentence).

This may end up the classic "it's not the crime, it's the cover up" scenario.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 8:00 am to
I stole that thought from you and made the post today when I saw Greenwald said the same thing.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 8:02 am to
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There are papers with classified markings. It does not make them classified.

Sure, but whomever you're quoting is trying to make a clever argument that literally is irrelevant.

And that's irrelevant within the "possession of classified documents" section of charges. It becomes even more irrelevant when you get into the crimes not directly related to possessing those documents.

Your "source" is using 2 different sections of the indictment to try to create this image that the documents are only marked classified, when that's just a term of art being used that is 100% undisputed (that the documents were marked classified). You are falling for, and promoting, an argument that a person with an IQ of 95 should easily be able to discern as stupid.

ETA: to help you out, since this is difficult, just know you're using quotes from a Statement of Fact and an indictment-charge that has nothing to do with possessing classified documents. The charges you quoted are for False Statements and Representations, not possession of classified documents. The statements that he made were about documents with classification markings, not classified documents.
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 8:08 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 8:03 am to
I am getting a chuckle out of people flipping out over my comments completely ignoring the fact that I've stated that multiple times.

And that Trump be witch hunt with acquisitions after acquisitions.

Still doesn't get him out of the box fully. Trump is an idiot and handled this like an idiot and he may have committed crimes trying to be clever when the underlying charges end up thrown out.
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 8:04 am
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 8:08 am to
They will probably get Trump on obstruction or perjury. But it is obviously purely political. The 'classified markings' is for dumbed down public consumption and headlines.

How long do you think before Ronna announces she found a bi-law regulation in subsection one niner seventeen in the GOP rules book: that Trump can't run on the R ticket?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 8:11 am to
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The 'classified markings' is for dumbed down public consumption and headlines.

No that term involves the requests of the government once the investigation started. They didn't ask Trump for classified documents, they asked for any document with classified markings. They are accusing Trump of (1) not turning these over (2) conspiring with others to conceal them and (3) making false statements relating to the documents.

None of these documents have to be classified for these charges to stick. They only have to have been marked classified.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:13 am to
So conceivably, Trump could have issued a blanket declassification but if those documents had TS/SCI, Secret, Classified, etc. The Feds wanted them. Smells like a damage control mission.

No one in this whe charade is acting above board. Neither Trump or the Feds. Trump just wants the stuff to show off to people and maybe broker a book deal later......the Feds want to probably avoid specific embarassment
Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:21 am to
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acquisitions after acquisitions.


Lol
Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:22 am to
This is it, theyve got him
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:22 am to
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No one in this whe charade is acting above board.

I agree 100%
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:23 am to
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This is it, theyve got him

The post you're replying to has nothing to do with that.

I'm explaining why the curated images from the indictment she posted from other sources are intellectually dishonest. She didn't realize that nor did she understand why they were, so I explained.
Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:26 am to
This is it, a possible process crime stemming from a legal construct of the espionage act over the president's records.

He should be executed
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 9:27 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:27 am to
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This is it, a possible process crime stemming from a legal construct of the espionage act over the president's records.

Trump handled this whole situation like a narcissistic moron. This all could have been easily avoided but he can't help giving them ammo to use against him.
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