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re: Tariffs. What libertarian Economists don't grasp and more.

Posted on 3/26/25 at 7:24 am to
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 7:24 am to
That’s a really long way to say ‘tariffs are taxes’.
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 7:47 am to
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To blame Smoot/Hawley as the sole reason for it is not based in facts.


Check out the unemployment rate before and after the market crash of ‘29.

Then check out the unemployment rate after Smoot-Hawley was passed.

You’re correct that Smoot-Hawley didn’t cause the GD, but, it turned what was an economic correction into a Depression.
This post was edited on 3/26/25 at 7:48 am
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 7:53 am to
muh washer and dryers :rotflmao:

As predicted by me
Posted by Flats
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 7:56 am to
quote:

That’s a really long way to say ‘tariffs are taxes’.


He's yet to offer any support beyond this magical hand-waving. You can get him to admit that tariffs increase cost but the next sentence is some vague claim about how the increase gets offset by unicorns and puppies.

Unless you're an anarchist taxes aren't inherently bad, tariffs included. Government has to be funded somehow. But just like our income tax system has downsides, tariffs do as well.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 8:02 am to
I didn't bring it up. I corrected someone trying to cherry-pick the data.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 8:04 am to
Muh Washing Machines!! And Muh Dryers!

Tariffs bad!!

You are such a predictable clown.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 8:05 am to
You spent all day yesterday whining about Muh Math and ignoring it when it was presented to you.

You're a joke.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 8:07 am to
You idiots cant even provide a single example. You did exactly as I predicted you would do

Including washer and dryers

You are the biggest liar on here. Also as dumb as Taxing Authority


Posted by GeauxBurrow312
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 8:09 am to
Foreigners tariff our goods, and subsidize their own industry. They also buy up the US dollar to make it an expensive currency. All of this makes us less competitive, none of that is because of “free trade”

And yes there are benefits to buying goods that another nation subsidizes to make (basically subsidizing our purchase price). But in a crisis you have no industry. You also do not have steady, decent jobs for the lower classes. Small towns are vanishing because it’s impossible to sustain local economies. This puts more pressure on big city housing prices.

Libertarian economics are mostly great. But people seem to forget that there is a (large) political aspect to economics, it’s not just supply/demand
This post was edited on 3/26/25 at 8:10 am
Posted by Jjdoc
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 8:11 am to
You would be hard pressed to find an economist that agrees with that. As point out by Creed, Milton doesn't agree with you at all.


Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
5029 posts
Posted on 3/26/25 at 8:11 am to
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Protectionism can go too far: Insulating firms from any concern about foreign competition could lead to stagnation


How so? If tariffs are so wonderful, and if they create all these jobs without increasing costs, while simultaneously eliminating the need for the income tax, why wouldn’t even higher tariffs create even more wealth and employment? I mean, it could be 1914 on steroids.

That’s the basic fallacy of your position. It’s no different than those that claim raising the minimum wage drives wage growth or welfare / food stamps increase economic activity. Sure it might, but at what cost? Because we truly believed that, we would increase the minimum wage to $3,000/hr and quadruple welfare benefits.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 8:14 am to
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 8:15 am to


quote:

They WILL cause prices to go up




Facking morons
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 8:17 am to
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GAVTiger


Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 8:21 am to
You clowns are so dumb. You cannot provide a single example. You both linked that idiots wall of nothing.

It ended with
quote:

They WILL cause prices to go up


yeah how much you dumbfricks. Now you will say something dumb to avoid answering or ask a question to my question cause you cant answer or talk about Gavin the man you are in love with

Predictable and just stupid is what you are cuckeye.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/26/25 at 8:21 am to
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As point out by Creed, Milton doesn't agree with you at all.


Well, except for the part where he does.

quote:

The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act has come to symbolize protectionism run mad. It has been blamed for both the 1929 stock-market crash and the subsequent Depression. In my view, that gives it too much “credit.” However, it did impose heavy costs on the American consumer, did deepen the Depression, and did usher in a decade of “beggar-thy-neighbor policies” around the world.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/26/25 at 8:22 am to
Ignoring the numbers won't make them go away, California Tate.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 8:23 am to
As predicted
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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76732 posts
Posted on 3/26/25 at 8:23 am to
You got called out all day yesterday.

As predicted...
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
97828 posts
Posted on 3/26/25 at 8:25 am to
K we will be waiting for those numbers

Someday you idiots might be able to answer
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