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re: Taking in foreign Ebola patients...
Posted on 10/30/14 at 1:16 pm to mmcgrath
Posted on 10/30/14 at 1:16 pm to mmcgrath
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And BTW, it is almost a mathematical impossibility that it will evolve through transmissions in the US... and it will not become airborne like the flu. Most likely evolution would make it less fatal or change the timing slightly.
What's your basis for putting that forth?
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Posted on 10/30/14 at 2:27 pm to mmcgrath
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If she is infected then she would get sick in or out of quarantine.
Exactly but if she's in quarantine at the time she becomes sick then the odds of her having affected other people is a helluva lot less. You realize how many people would be in harm's way with 24 hours of her becoming ill? I mean, if it's not a certainty as to when she becomes infectous prior to her having full blown symptoms,, then how can you be comfortable with that?
Last question, honest answer. If you just came back under the same scenario as this person did, you wouldn't hesitate at all to move right on back in with the wife and kids? Be honest.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:45 pm to Meauxjeaux
quote:The fact that in the history of viruses there is no recorded event of a virus switching from airborne to fluid transfer, vice versa, much less any other change in how it is transmitted.
What's your basis for putting that forth?
Evolution of a virus happens randomly and through natural selection which requires a large number of transmissions. It won't simply change form like on the movie "Outbreak".
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:48 pm to Homesick Tiger
quote:My wife, no problem. With my kids, I would try to stay away. But I am willing to do irrational things to protect my kids. There a probably a number of things that are considered safe that I would shield my kids from.
Last question, honest answer. If you just came back under the same scenario as this person did, you wouldn't hesitate at all to move right on back in with the wife and kids? Be honest.
quote:I think there is a certainty about not being contagious before the onset of symptoms. Even then the presence of the virus is just barely detectable, so the chances of infecting someone early on appears to be very very small. We may even learn in the near future that it is impossible in the first hours of being symptomatic.
Exactly but if she's in quarantine at the time she becomes sick then the odds of her having affected other people is a helluva lot less. You realize how many people would be in harm's way with 24 hours of her becoming ill? I mean, if it's not a certainty as to when she becomes infectous prior to her having full blown symptoms,, then how can you be comfortable with that?
I think they are using outer bounds already when saying it is contagious and regarding the incubation period. Obviously it hasn't been studied as much since it is usually a quick response. However from what we have seen here the incubation period is right about 10 days like clockwork and no one has been infected from early contact with anyone who was symptomatic.
This post was edited on 10/30/14 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 10/30/14 at 3:51 pm to Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 10/30/14 at 4:11 pm to udtiger
If I volunteered over in africa, I would have no trouble being isolated for the 21 days. Honestly, I would expect it.
It is simply moronic to not. And honestly, yes, I would not be staying with my wife at that time. simply crazy. Even though the likelihood of me getting infected are quite small, the stakes are just too big.
And to answer the initial question, why the hell would we bring over foreign ebola patients? WTF are the benefits to this? We know how to protect against infection so there is no reason to treat it here.
Why would you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars a patient to treat a handful?
30 at a time? Are you serious? That would be how many millions of dollars in treatment here? Why not use that same amount of money over there where it would do so much more good?
Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid idea. We have limited resources so use them wisely and where they will have the most effect.
It is simply moronic to not. And honestly, yes, I would not be staying with my wife at that time. simply crazy. Even though the likelihood of me getting infected are quite small, the stakes are just too big.
And to answer the initial question, why the hell would we bring over foreign ebola patients? WTF are the benefits to this? We know how to protect against infection so there is no reason to treat it here.
Why would you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars a patient to treat a handful?
30 at a time? Are you serious? That would be how many millions of dollars in treatment here? Why not use that same amount of money over there where it would do so much more good?
Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid idea. We have limited resources so use them wisely and where they will have the most effect.
Posted on 10/30/14 at 4:18 pm to thetempleowl
quote:I think the diff is that the people they are talking about are people who work for the US Govt or a US company. There are a lot of non-citizens who work for companies in the US.
And to answer the initial question, why the hell would we bring over foreign ebola patients? WTF are the benefits to this? We know how to protect against infection so there is no reason to treat it here.
Example: A US company does business with a textile firm in Sierra Leone and sent over a US Citizen and a another employee who happens to be a citizen of Australia for some reason. If both catch Ebola would it be right to only bring back the US citizen for treatment and leave the Australian there to get treated in a tent?
I thought that the memo was a great idea to supplement treatment by sending patients here for treatment, but it isn't that.
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