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re: Study Confirms Vaccine-Linked Myocarditis Deaths for First Time
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:06 pm to Vacherie Saint
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:06 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Either you are arguing just to hear yourself argue, or you are clinging onto a narrative that not even the talking heads who initially promoted it still maintain.
I don't think any talking heads have taken any of my positions, to be frank. I certainly haven't taken any of their positions, unless you count being incredibly pedantic about my love, which is molecular immunology. They applied an epidemiological playbook that worked with other pathogens but applied it so thoughtlessly, without regard to the morphology of the pathogen on hand, which is the fundamental issue.
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:08 pm to Vacherie Saint
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OK, so what are you arguing with us about?
Mainly that those dissenters offered anything of real value. They just repeated things people wanted to hear, but the vast majority of the arguments were just bad, based on poor understanding of the immunologic principles.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:09 pm to the808bass
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Dealers choice. I have bad news awaiting your response.
I'm being autistic here. I have no idea what you are talking about.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:15 pm to crazy4lsu
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Mainly that those dissenters offered anything of real value. They just repeated things people wanted to hear, but the vast majority of the arguments were just bad, based on poor understanding of the immunologic principles.
Gotcha. So, in your mind, the Harvard educated pathologist who pioneered this specific vaccine technology isnt equipped to offer "anything of real value" wrt the vaccine? Egotistical much?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:25 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Gotcha. So, in your mind, the Harvard educated pathologist who pioneered this specific vaccine technology isnt equipped to offer "anything of real value" wrt the vaccine? Egotistical much?
Malone? I mean, people run with the 'mRNA inventor' thing thoughtlessly and just take him at his word. Malone's work at the Salk Institute was based on Philip Felgner's work on positively-charged liposomes, who he later worked for, and the work of his advisor, Inder Verma. And I don't think Malone worked on any mRNA vaccine tech for the decades preceding the pandemic, but somehow now he is some all-knowing authority that can't be questioned?
His argument about the vaccine causing 'sub-clinical myocarditis' was so stupid I'm amazed that anyone believed it. His credentials don't suddenly make him immune from bad arguments. The notion that he could suggest something exists in a 'sub-clinical' state is fundamentally idiotic.
ETA: Or do you mean someone else? The pathologist who insisted he saw elevated rates of cancer and impaired CD8+ T cell function? He also made some ridiculous arguments.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:28 pm to crazy4lsu
Wow. Its a shame that the entire world, desperately in need of your advice, lost your number when this whole pandemic started.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:31 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Wow. Its a shame that the entire world, desperately in need of your advice, lost your number when this whole pandemic started.
Look, it isn't my fault that people are taking advantage of your lack of knowledge on this particular topic to feed you nonsense. You trust people based on their credentials and also them saying what you want them to say, but the content of their argument matters. And it is exceedingly curious that a pathologist of all people didn't produce any histopathology, to my recall.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:00 pm to crazy4lsu
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I have no idea what you are talking about.
You’re shutting on a guy that has actually done stuff. Let me know when you can talk your attending into following your plan of care.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:07 pm to BigMob
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:15 pm to crazy4lsu
Just understand...You puffing about on an internet forum, pretending to know better than many of the world's top minds on these subjects, is exactly as ludicrous as it sounds. That is your fault.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:29 pm to Vacherie Saint
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You puffing about on an internet forum, pretending to know better than many of the world's top minds on these subjects, is exactly as ludicrous as it sounds.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:29 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:Other than sarcastically belittling crazy4lsu, I haven't really seen you offer anything of value other than putting someone else up as knowing more than crazy4lsu. At least he offers explanations. Whether they are correct or not is beyond my level of expertise. You seem to know who knows what but what do you know? What are your credentials? Seems like you two go toe to toe anytime a thread like this comes up.
Vacherie Saint
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:58 pm to Diamondawg
All I've argued in my admittedly late arrival to this convo, was that the validity of voices like Malone, McCullough, Yeadon, etc... were every bit as valuable as that of the experts who sought to have them silenced. It should be crystal clear, in the aftermath of all this, that the politicians and their kept medical experts got it wrong, and we should have put everything on the table.
Unlike some posters, I'm not suggesting that I have some level of expertise in this field greater than these men, nor am I interested in indulging posters who are.
Unlike some posters, I'm not suggesting that I have some level of expertise in this field greater than these men, nor am I interested in indulging posters who are.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:32 pm to Vacherie Saint
There is no doubt that we've been lied to. Welensky admitted as much yesterday. I don't know that Malone who did work with mRNA years ago but not much since should be heard but more recent "experts" should as well. Been a long time since I did anything clinical but unless your are an Intensivist and spend the whole shift with multiple patients in an ICU setting an attending needs to check their egos at the door and listen to people who have been with the patients all day; nurses, clinical pharmacists, respiratory, PT and OT, etc. Those with much less training than the attending physician just might know more about the patient than he/she could ascertain from looking at lab work, cursory chest auscultation, etc, etc. It takes the entire team to care for a patient and often time the attending physician that spends maybe 10 minutes at most might not be the one that is most informed. I don't know where the lsu guy is in his training but he uses big words and I haven't seen many of the resident physicians on here slam him as being a kook!
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:50 pm to WeeWee
No response?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:18 pm to the808bass
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You’re shutting on a guy that has actually done stuff.
So the argument here is that because I'm at the beginning of my career, what determines whether a group of physicians believes me, vis a vis this other guy, is not based on the presentation I do, but the fact that I'm at an early stage of my career?
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You’re shutting on a guy that has actually done stuff. Let me know when you can talk your attending into following your plan of care.
Okay now what? Do you think I've only had one patient in my life or something?
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:30 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Just understand...You puffing about on an internet forum, pretending to know better than many of the world's top minds on these subjects, is exactly as ludicrous as it sounds. That is your fault.
I've posted on this forum the same way for a long time. I'm not moved by someone else's credentials just the same way that no one has been moved by mine. I'm moved by arguments. I could also mention all the people who have more credentials than the people you mention who say wildly different things. But you wouldn't believe them because they aren't going to say something you want them to say. If these people make bad arguments, they make bad arguments.
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