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Student protesters win, Catholic school will NOT fire married gay teacher

Posted on 1/13/14 at 11:32 am
Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
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Posted on 1/13/14 at 11:32 am
Interesting development transpiring in Seattle. The school is using the excuse that since the drama teacher is part time, she can get married. I don't understand why the part time vs. full time employment status matters? I think it's because of the enormous backlash that happened when they recently fired a gay swim coach who announced he had married a man.

Change is going to happen because of the youth of today. Could this foreshadow more profound changes coming from the Church?


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The ongoing morality play about gay marriage at an area Catholic high school keeps getting foggier. Except for one part that is becoming clear: The student protesters are winning.

Consider the jumble of values, rules and official gobbledygook the students of Eastside Catholic High School in Sammamish have exposed with their agitating in the past month:

It’s apparently OK to be gay and teach there. Unless you get married — then you are fired. With the caveat that if you agree to get divorced — then you can keep your job.

Now if you’re a lesbian who teaches part-time and announces on the radio that you’re getting married — not only do you keep your job, you get a raise!

Said the school’s board in a four-page letter and Q & A to families Thursday: “The public behaviors of our faculty and staff must at all times be consistent with the values and teachings of the Catholic Church.”

I’m not Catholic, so who am I to judge and all that. But “consistent” is about the last word I would choose for the school’s message.

“Tortured,” maybe. “Befuddling?” Or how about just: “Wrong.”

I don’t mean wrong in a technical sense. Eastside Catholic was probably well within its legal rights last month when it forced out Mark Zmuda, a vice principal and swim coach, for marrying a man.


I mean it’s wrong in a moral sense. That’s what those spirited students are appealing to in their protests: Not the law’s strict letter, but a sense of “passionate discernment,” as Father John Whitney of St. Joe’s in Seattle wrote in praising the students.

Whitney likened the “noisy uproar” of the students to the Apostles: “We in the broader Church should be grateful for the mess these young people bring.”

A mess it is, no matter where you stand on it. That the school fired Zmuda for getting married is one thing. But offering to keep him if he got divorced — if he renounced his love? That is some disturbing moral bargaining.


That was followed by the contrary news that a part-time drama teacher at the school, Stephanie Merrow, could not only keep her job but would get a raise even after she came out as a lesbian and announced her engagement to her female partner.

School officials said this works for them because she’s part-time. But on the consistent values and teaching front, it sure is confusing. It’s OK for the two women to marry, but not the two men?

Here’s what I think it means. When you tie yourself into knots like this, it usually means you know you’re wrong.

It doesn’t mean the pope is suddenly going to back gay marriage. Or even that Zmuda may get his job back. But it probably means the church, at least around here, will find its way to some morally ambiguous “accommodation” in which it continues to oppose gay marriage but sees fit to look the other way when the lives and loves of real human beings are at stake.

It looks to be heading there already.

“Though it is a painful time, their teachers and their parents should be proud of the Gospel spirit that has been planted in these young hearts,” Father Whitney wrote of the students.

Non-Catholic translation: I’ll be damned, these kids are winning.



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Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 1/13/14 at 11:33 am to
Good News! Francis I is doing great things. The church's teachings are not changing but the Church is not treating a gay person as a lesser human being.

Posted by TK421
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/13/14 at 11:35 am to
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Could this foreshadow more profound changes coming from the Church?



I wouldn't get my hopes up, if I were you. The doctrine of the Catholic church is still largely left in the hands of a bureaucracy that has shown no intentions of changing the official position on homosexuality.

If you want to press acceptance in a sect of Christianity, the non-denominational churches would be a better starting point.
Posted by lsuroadie
South LA
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/13/14 at 11:35 am to
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Interesting development transpiring in Seattle
no not really
Posted by CITWTT
baton rouge
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Posted on 1/13/14 at 11:36 am to
The absence of your threads was so enjoyable, and now you had to ruin the silence. Are there no dickboy web sites for you to spend time on out there on the webz?
Posted by ironsides
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2006
8153 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 11:41 am to
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Good News! Francis I is doing great things. The church's teachings are not changing but the Church is not treating a gay person as a lesser human being.


I guess they are taking a page out of Phil Robertson's book then?

In all honesty, I'm not sure how much of you are Catholic, but my old neighborhood of the West Village in NYC was extremely accepting of heterosexually challenged people.
Posted by IdahoTiger
San Diego, CA
Member since Dec 2007
1860 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 11:43 am to
Awesome. Although this situation isn't directly correlated to the Catholic church itself, I do like that the church acknowledges that it's okay to amend their outdated ways of thinking.
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
10666 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 11:43 am to
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I guess they are taking a page out of Phil Robertson's book then? In all honesty, I'm not sure how much of you are Catholic, but my old neighborhood of the West Village in NYC was extremely accepting of heterosexually challenged people.


I don't think the comparison to Phil Robertson is apt.

I am Catholic and it depends on the parish. Some are very accepting and some are silent on the issue. I have never heard a priest say bad things about a gay person. But some churches don't have any open acceptance of gay people. At best some churches are silent on the issue.
Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2010
27250 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 12:01 pm to
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no not really



Why? This is the first time ever that a Catholic school has not fired a gay teacher for getting married. This is a PROFOUND development IMO.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 1/13/14 at 12:03 pm to
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Could this foreshadow more profound changes coming from the Church?


No because the truth does not change. Ever, no matter how much you wish it to. A disordered lifestyle is still disordered and will continue to be disordered.

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Good News! Francis I is doing great things. The church's teachings are not changing but the Church is not treating a gay person as a lesser human being.


1) This did not come from Francis (it came from a school administrator that is likely going to be catechized by his or her bishop soon.

and

2) Have you read any of Pope Francis' views as Bishop on gays and gay "marriage"? Let me help you:

“Let us not be naive: this is not simply a political struggle, but it is an attempt to destroy God’s plan. It is not just a bill but a ‘move’ of the Father of Lies [Satan] who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”

adoption by same-sex couples would result in "depriving (children) of the human growth that God wanted them given by a father and a mother."


There are many more instances. Oh, by the way he also has privately encouraged Bishops to speak out more bodly about the inherent disorders with homosexual "marriages".

The left wants the Pope to be aligned with them so badly they are really setting themselves up for disappointment.

Look at his Bishop appointments, that is perhaps the most telling sign of who he is. They are all across the board traditionalists.


Posted by LSUnKaty
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
4341 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 12:26 pm to
Strange you would post this since it displays a measure of tolerance by the school that is never approached by the other side.
Posted by CITWTT
baton rouge
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Posted on 1/13/14 at 12:29 pm to
This is the raising the white flag of surrender of the dogma and canon law of the church.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 1/13/14 at 12:36 pm to
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The absence of your threads was so enjoyable, and now you had to ruin the silence. Are there no dickboy web sites for you to spend time on out there on the webz?


wow. take a step from the computer pal. That is just revolting.
Posted by Rush2112
Asheville
Member since Mar 2008
842 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 12:43 pm to
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No because the truth does not change. Ever, no matter how much you wish it to. A disordered lifestyle is still disordered and will continue to be disordered.


It's pretty obvious the younger generation is more accepting of gays. So yes, it is changing. The only group that is resistant to this change is the church. And the truth, whether you like it or not, is that the younger generation is also turning away from religion because of outdated policies, gay marriage for example, among many other reasons.
Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2010
27250 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 12:44 pm to
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1) This did not come from Francis (it came from a school administrator that is likely going to be catechized by his or her bishop soon.



The principal blamed the Archdiocese for ordering the firing of the gay swim coach a few weeks ago. If that's the case, it would suggest the Archdiocese had some input in retaining the drama coach and giving her a raise. It should also be noted that these high school students having been staging protests outside the office of the Archdiocese...



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There are many more instances. Oh, by the way he also has privately encouraged Bishops to speak out more bodly about the inherent disorders with homosexual "marriages".



Do you have a direct link to the Vatican or something? If these conversations are "private", how do you know about them?
Posted by CITWTT
baton rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 1/13/14 at 12:48 pm to
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take a step from the computer pal. That is just revolting


If his dick wasn't the only thing he posts about then I wouldn't have written that, but he is a one trick pony.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 12:51 pm to
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If his dick wasn't the only thing he posts about then I wouldn't have written that, but he is a one trick pony.


i see no mention of dicks in his post.
Posted by Rush2112
Asheville
Member since Mar 2008
842 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 12:52 pm to
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If his dick wasn't the only thing he posts about


One of the dumbest things I've ever read
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
76640 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 12:53 pm to
This is the nation of the single-issue voter, so a poli board that has some single-issue posters should come as no surprise to anyone.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 12:58 pm to
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Could this foreshadow more profound changes coming from the Church?






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