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re: Strong on Second Amendment, Strongly Pro Choice
Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:22 am to ELVIS U
Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:22 am to ELVIS U
Why do y’all insist on acting like the constitution is a perfect document?
Yes the constitution is a great document that has given us many rights and provided a foundation for the greatest country in the world, but it is by no means perfect. Even its writers said it would need to be changed over time. Just because something isn’t mentioned in the constitution doesn’t mean it’s an illegitimate topic.
Tbh, I truly believe America is the best country in the world, but it is us as a society continuing to ignore the dark side of America, the loop of poverty, the corruption of politics, etc. that causes us to become stagnant as a country. We need to take a critical look at ourselves and stop just looking at America as the American dream or the perfect destination. That scrutiny starts with understanding the flaws of our Constitution and works its way through every facet of government and then culture and society.
Yes the constitution is a great document that has given us many rights and provided a foundation for the greatest country in the world, but it is by no means perfect. Even its writers said it would need to be changed over time. Just because something isn’t mentioned in the constitution doesn’t mean it’s an illegitimate topic.
Tbh, I truly believe America is the best country in the world, but it is us as a society continuing to ignore the dark side of America, the loop of poverty, the corruption of politics, etc. that causes us to become stagnant as a country. We need to take a critical look at ourselves and stop just looking at America as the American dream or the perfect destination. That scrutiny starts with understanding the flaws of our Constitution and works its way through every facet of government and then culture and society.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 2:24 am
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:55 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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The comparison is flawed. And irrelevant.
No it's not.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:55 am to texridder
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Your problem is you don't know what viable means.
Do you know what it means?
Posted on 8/25/19 at 7:49 am to Texas Weazel
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No it's not.
Yes, it is.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 7:51 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:PT, distilled into six syllables.quote:Yes, it is.
No it's not.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 7:57 am
Posted on 8/25/19 at 8:00 am to AggieHank86
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No it's not.
Yes, it is.
PT, distilled into six syllables.
And now it's more. Thanks for your contribution.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 8:13 am to baybeefeetz
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frick you
I was adopted from a girls home/school in Fort Worth Texas. The type of school where pregnant teenage girls go to finish high school so it was not a distraction to the rest of her class. Unfortunately or fortunately however you want to look at it, my host parent did the dirty with a kid in high school and FATBOY was given life.
My host parent and grand parent (a single parent herself) couldn't afford to raise me so, my parents made the deal to adopt me from her and the school. I'm grateful for the life they provided for me. Many lives were made better that day.
Walk a mile in a motherfrickers shoes before you start talking shite. Think things through completely before you change your opinion on a subject such as life.
Either we all have a right to life or none of us do.
frick YOU.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 8:31 am to Texas Weazel
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You completely missed my point. All healthy fetuses inside the womb are viable. That's just a fact.
What about a fertilized embryo in a test tube? Is it murder to toss it in the trash when it is no longer needed?
Posted on 8/25/19 at 8:33 am to Malik Agar
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Strong on the second amendment and dgaf about abortion since all the trashy whores getting them are keeping themselves from reproducing somewhat.
This.
Not a fan of the late term shite though.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 8:37 am to bmy
I dont think an embryo can be kept in a test tube long enough for any "legal" gestation to come into play. But that's really a guess. Can it?
**In the case of in vitro pregnancy situations.
**In the case of in vitro pregnancy situations.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 8:41 am
Posted on 8/25/19 at 8:42 am to FATBOY TIGER
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I was adopted from a girls home/school in Fort Worth Texas. The type of school where pregnant teenage girls go to finish high school so it was not a distraction to the rest of her class. Unfortunately or fortunately however you want to look at it, my host parent did the dirty with a kid in high school and FATBOY was given life.
My host parent and grand parent (a single parent herself) couldn't afford to raise me so, my parents made the deal to adopt me from her and the school. I'm grateful for the life they provided for me. Many lives were made better that day.
Walk a mile in a motherfrickers shoes before you start talking shite. Think things through completely before you change your opinion on a subject such as life.
Either we all have a right to life or none of us do.
frick YOU
I understand you're emotionally attached to the issue but she chose not to abort you (and most of us can say this). Good on her for that. Seaslugs still don't get rights.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 8:42 am
Posted on 8/25/19 at 8:50 am to bmy
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Seaslugs
Posted on 8/25/19 at 8:54 am to davyjones
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I dont think an embryo can be kept in a test tube long enough for any "legal" gestation to come into play. But that's really a guess. Can it?
**In the case of in vitro pregnancy situations
I like to ask the question because it is tough for the "life begins at conception" group.
If they say it's murder.. well at least they are consistent. Otherwise, it establishes that we are talking about "when" abortion would become murder. From there we can have a real discussion on where we think that line should be.. in a test tube provides a context that is less emotional.
I don't know what the state of the art tech can do with human cells. With mice I think it's coming along? Either way.. one day it will be possible. I have serious reservations about late-term abortions in a test tube/gestation chamber just like I do in a womb.
At the end of the day we are talking about "when are rights/personhoods conferred upon a human being". FWIW I tend to think it should be based on typical brain activity or decided by fetuses who survived the procedure (or were born prematurely) and fully matured with few/no issues.. basing it on best available technology.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 8:55 am
Posted on 8/25/19 at 9:54 am to bmy
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Seaslugs still don't get rights.
How cavalier of you. So, taken as a whole, life means nothing?
The whole "viability" argument is stupid. If said baby was carried to full term, delivered, set in a crib with NO further care or intervention that child would most certainly perish. Viability starts at conception.
With out emotion, we are just sea slugs. It's what sets humans apart.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:21 am to FATBOY TIGER
quote:You think emotion separates us from animals. I think it is sapience.
Without emotion, we are just sea slugs. It's what sets humans apart.
My dog can get excited to see me or lonely when I am gone. He cannot do algebra.
An 8-week fetus cannot do any of those things.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:24 am to AggieHank86
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An 8-week fetus cannot do any of those things
My favorite thing about the abortion debate is that no lay person in any context in any conversation with any other human being ever refers to a baby as a fetus, unless they are talking about the prospect of ending its life.
Just a fun observation.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:26 am to baybeefeetz
Strong on the second amendment because it is a right in this country & everyone has the right to protect their family from the crazy people in this world. You will never be able to keep guns off the streets & out of the hands of criminals. (Ex. Chicago)
Very pro life: My take on this is that if a woman takes part in an act that they know the outcome could be pregnancy then they should be held accountable for their actions. I’m not saying that they should raise the kid, hell put the kid up for adoption.
Bottom line is: If a woman is pro choice they are basically telling everyone that they would consider murdering a defenseless baby & they shouldn’t be held accountable for their actions. Any woman that wants to have an abortion because they don’t want to have a baby using the argument “muh body muh decision” should be required to have tubal ligation on their own dime.
Very pro life: My take on this is that if a woman takes part in an act that they know the outcome could be pregnancy then they should be held accountable for their actions. I’m not saying that they should raise the kid, hell put the kid up for adoption.
Bottom line is: If a woman is pro choice they are basically telling everyone that they would consider murdering a defenseless baby & they shouldn’t be held accountable for their actions. Any woman that wants to have an abortion because they don’t want to have a baby using the argument “muh body muh decision” should be required to have tubal ligation on their own dime.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:29 am to Turbeauxdog
quote:You are absolutely correct. Most people use precise language when it is necessary and imprecise language when it works just as well.
no lay person in any context in any conversation with any other human being ever refers to a baby as a fetus, unless they are talking about the prospect of ending its life.
I usually simply talk about “my truck,” unless I am at the parts store, in which case I refer to “my F350 Dually.”
Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:29 am to FATBOY TIGER
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If said baby was carried to full term, delivered, set in a crib with NO further care or intervention that child would most certainly perish.
That child also isn't attached to another human being for literally everything it needs to survive. This point will never be useful in this discussion, and is simply a way for you to push emotion in unnecessarily.
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Viability starts at conception.
Potential viability, maybe. Either way, it's unimportant.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:29 am to FATBOY TIGER
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This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 10:30 am
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