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re: Stolen History - Lifting the Veil of Deception (Doc Part 1 - Introduction)

Posted on 3/7/23 at 4:48 pm to
Posted by Gaggle
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Posted on 3/7/23 at 4:48 pm to
Some good stuff in there. All the different state and national buildings, some gothic cathedrals or French style houses or Florida's looks like a walled prison. None really obviously evoke the state and they just built all these magnificent intricate structures. I thought this was interesting


The model is the most perfect ever, 15 feet tall and began in the 1500s? So in Europe somewhere? Where? By what artists? When was it shipped to Chicago and how did that happen? It must be pretty important if it's a centuries long work. It's weird they give no other explanation. I tried googling this model and got nothing.
Posted by the_truman_shitshow
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Posted on 3/7/23 at 5:13 pm to
Badge with US Great Seal blows minds in Turkey’s Zerzevan Castle
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The history of Zerzevan Castle dates back to the Assyrian period (882-611 B.C.). During the Roman period, the main military settlement was built and used continuously until 639 B.C. up until when the Islamic armies conquered the area.

This post was edited on 3/7/23 at 5:14 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/7/23 at 5:31 pm to
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I'll play devil's advocate. The claim, albeit fantastical, is that these structures were built with wood and stucco - hence how they were built so rapidly and conversely torn down just as quickly and with ease.
In the case of the 1893 Fair, the architecture was so popular, the city explored actually rebuilding the "decorated sheds" as permanent structures. But in 1894 most of the remnants burned. A few structures like the Palace of Fine Arts remained. Let's address that one:

1893



By 1925 the plaster on brick facade was falling apart, and the building was abandoned.









The building was scheduled for demolition, but wealthy donors interceded and had it rebuilt over several years out of limestone. From 1933-40 it was reopened in stages as the Chicago Museum of Science.
Posted by Enadious
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Posted on 3/7/23 at 10:11 pm to
quote:

Enadious, most everything told by your Overlords IS a "Lie." Including the obvious ruse of "Aliens" that you actually believe is true -- the ironically "regurgitated" comedy-bits claimed BY Area 51 Gubmint Jokesters.

I don't know how old you are, but I was reading John Birch Society material in 1980. If you are not aware of what that is, it is the foundation of everything you believe about 'conspiracies.' Beyond that, I've lived through the Oklahoma Bombing, Ruby Ridge, Waco (I even know a man shot on the first raid), Black helicopters, the United Nations peacekeeping coming to take us over (stickers on back side of road signs), internment camp for Americans, 911.... dit dit, dot dot.
Let's just say, in my 40+ years of conspiracy, what is real is still real. And what is not, is stupidity.
I don't know who in the frick you think are my overlords. I'm in the camp that there was another civilization before ours (Graham Handcock). Don't know if they died out or are still around. Nothing I've seen of the current UAP shite speaks of aliens to me. I think we're alone in the universe. And, there is no one alive that can prove me wrong. Period.
Again, you totally missed the mark (do you know what the Biblical term for that is?) concerning me and my stance on the UAP threads. Read them again, and pay more attention this time.
Posted by dr
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 6:22 am to
all while in the middle of the worse economic disaster in history (to that point)

because the elites/rich said:
"hey, lets spend millions with no chance of return on investment, to pay skilled craftsmen to build this elaborate 700 acre complex, as was said, the size of magic kingdom, so a bunch of unemployed rabble can walk around and oooh and aahhh over the modern technology that non of them will afford or have until the 1920+, and in 6 months we destroy it all"

yup, that seems very normal, and believable
Posted by dr
texas
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 6:24 am to
you know who rand mcnally are/were

another interesting story

that is a cool book provided
Posted by dr
texas
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 6:43 am to
so, a structure made from cheap wood, burlap bags and plaster of paris survived structurally for 30 years thru 30 chicago winters, then we replace the wood/burlap/structure with cut stone.

Do you honestly think a plaster dome would survive 30 years of ice and snow on it?

why was it not torn down to start with everything else, and instead allowed to become an eyesore for 30 years?

and why would you not just build a new building? Renovations especially of that sort would cost way more than new construction, especially when you consider a foundation for a stone building would be considerably more robust than one to hold up sticks, burlap, and plaster.

seriously, does that make sense to anyone who has ever worked construction?

This was a major undertaking, why is the renovation not got tons of photos with parts of the building being replaced, new foundations, setting the dome, etc?

many people had cameras back then, but no one walked the park to take a pic in front of this major civic undertaking.

the building is almost exactly the same.

nope, not buying that.
(I've walked the grounds there, and the building is amazing)
nice pics, thanks for posting them
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 6:45 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 7:57 am to
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so, a structure made from cheap wood, burlap bags and plaster of paris survived structurally for 30 years
No.
Some of it was made of brick, as the links described.
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why was it not torn down to start with everything else
No. "Everything else" burned down, as was delineated for you.
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does that make sense to anyone who has ever worked construction?
What makes sense is you are neither a reader, nor intellectually curious enough to question your otherwise bizarre contentions.
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the building is almost exactly the same.
Indeed. IAW the links provided you.
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nope, not buying that.
You've not really exhibited resources to make the purchase.
Posted by dr
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 8:29 am to
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What makes sense is you are neither a reader, nor intellectually curious enough to question your otherwise bizarre contentions.


yup not a reader, I have over 1000 books, many of which are over 100 years old, because I sit and stare at them
and my intellectual curiosity was poor because I didn't accept the official narrative???

I think you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing, seems a bit petty and childish in my opinion,

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You've not really exhibited resources to make the purchase.


a veiled insult of self superiority, cute, and you are just a troll with no actual intellectual argument other than copy pasta

how did the plaster of paris, and hemp burlap survive 30 years? in winter in Chicago?

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why was it not torn down to start with everything else
No. "Everything else" burned down, as was delineated for you.
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all the rest burned, all around it, but one structure didn't catch fire, why? if it was all made with the same materials, (burlap and wood) it would have all caught fire as the whole complex burned, being as close as all the buildings were

and your reading comprehension is well, never mind, I will not wallow in the mud with you.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 9:17 am to
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it would have all caught fire as the whole complex burned
You claim you've been to the site (I've been inside the building many times btw), yet refer to it as a "complex". That is like referring to the collection of Smithsonian buildings, spread through the National Mall, as a "complex," and wondering how the Air&Space Museum could remain unscathed while the Museum of Natural History burned.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 9:23 am to
quote:

so is the earth flat and pics Elon, Nasa, astronauts have shown of circular earth are fake?


The Bible itself mentions the "circle of the earth" (Isaiah 40:22) -- NOT "ball." We also don't need anything but eyeballs to note the etymology of words -- like "horizon" = horizontal, a "planet" = "plane," and "water-seeking-its-own-LEVEL" (70% of earth = Oceans)

Cajunangelle, you obviously already know my position on NASA, its role/agenda/mission; on "pics" (whether from NASA *or* Elon *or* Bezos); and the truth regarding our Realm. (I'm open for further discussions on the subject elsewhere -- this thread is a focus on History and whether or not tOfficial-Narrative by tPTB have purposely hidden Timelines (while running off and attempting to discredit any and all challenges to it.)

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I don't know about all that in the OP....


As someone who goes deep on political research, the subject of exploring Out-of-Mainstream / PTB-constructed US history (beyond the Gatekeepers) should be on your menu. It'll blow you mind.

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...But I do know this needs shown in the 6th grade US History classes. And whites were slaves, creoles were slaves, blacks were slaves. But one of the biggest slave owners was a black man in SC.


I agree 100%. It *is* US History after all. The entire tangential subject and truth on the matter on slavery is very worthy of its own thread.
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 9:23 am to
so, moving right along, lets look at the canals of Pheonix

canals

In 1867 a scheming ex-Confederate soldier named Jack Swilling responded with the Swilling Irrigation and Canal Company. Using Mexican labor, he retrenched many of the old Hohokam canals. Alfalfa for horses and grain for persons soon ?owed from the Salt River Valley to the forts. So responsive was the soil that miners and migrants, safe from attack, grabbed shovels and went what was soon called “canal crazy.”

so there was a massive civilization that abandoned the canals in 1400, but where did they go?

map of the canal system

the size of this was construct was massive, and the population similar.

extremely interesting

apparently they are still finding canals to this day
over 500 miles of it so far

what happened to this civilization?
Posted by dr
texas
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 9:25 am to
reading comprehension...

the FAIR COMPLEX, not the current configuration

please do try to keep up
Posted by the_truman_shitshow
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 9:27 am to
Liberator,

We are truly living in The Truman Show.

The movie was mockery in plain sight as everyday, our scripted lives are just entertainment to those atop Mt. Olympus who think they are the sovereign ones. Their sweet ambrosia will swiftly turn bitter only to realize that it will be too late at that point to spit it back out. Little do they know...
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 9:29 am
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1140 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 9:39 am to
I have worked on major construction sites, and love reading the plans. do you know what is not on any plans?

correction for curve of the earth, and you would think that would be needed for a level hiway

after all, level is a straight line, and the earth is a curve

why do the highway plans not correct, even when using laser levels?

technically speaking, not correcting builds an error into everything we do

(I think the drop is around 0.03" per 100', so 5 miles of flat highway would raise 0.66 ft, <8" if my math is correct)



(0.03/12 X 26400 Ft (5 miles)/100)

not insignificant

comments are interesting
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 10:02 am
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 9:45 am to
quote:

Why rely on anyone whose opinion you may or may not trust?

There is a 250 page original 1893 guide linked just above your post.


Therein lies the conundrum.

If "TRUST" (and credibility) is the key element in discerning historical truth, let us ask the million-dollar question:

*Should* someting like the 1893 World's Fair narrative be trusted at face value?

Should the 250 page book-form 'Guide" (a Fair narrative explained basically by the same ilk of people who *also* ran the World's Fair, owned nearly all the major newspapers, publishers & media and "news" at the time *and* controlled pubic opinion across America -- as well as being the Elites who monopolized US politics) -- be *the* end-all for any further inquiry?

*Should* the credibility as the Official World's Fair "authority" on the Fair, buildings accounts and logistics by its Rand-McNally publishers /contributors NOT be questioned nor challenged?

QUESTION: Do you believe its possible that there are legit alt-info, alt-docs, alt-theories and alt-explanations that poke serious holes in the sudden entire worldwide "World's Fairs/Expos" purpose and reason?

OR...

Should we just lay down and take the word of "honor" of the 19th century Elites narrative? (just as we've done by unflinchingly believing all 20th and 21st century "Official Narrative"?)

FWIW -- I still appreciate your historical pictorial contribution and passion.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Member since Sep 2003
126479 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 9:53 am to
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my intellectual curiosity was poor because I didn't accept the official narrative???
No.
Your intellectual curiosity is poor because you overlook or ignore or simply don't understand material presented to you, as is fully evidenced here.
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 9:54 am
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1140 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 10:06 am to
quote:

Your intellectual curiosity is poor because you overlook or ignore or simply don't understand material presented to you, as is fully evidenced here.


not evidenced, only opinionated
I understand it, (and read your stuff)

but, that still does not prove a single thing about my curiosity. you fail to want to question the official narrative, which indicates a decisive lack of said curiosity
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 10:08 am to
You've been killin' it, bro. I've been nodding my head in agreement in post after post.

I apologize for not responding to comments...yet. (playing catch-up on what I've missed. So much good stuff -- comments, video / web links and tangents.)


Yup. NEVER any construction "adjustments" for "The Curve." (although *maybe* there may have been a case on the Varrazano-Narrows bridge Staten Island. Totally unecessarry of course.)

Yes...regarding Construction Plan (I'm also privy to them)

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(I think the drop is around 0.03" per 100', so 5 miles of flat highway would raise 0.66 ft, <8" if my math is correct)



(0.03/12 X 26400 Ft (5 miles)/100)

not insignificant



Exactly. Negligible.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
6952 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 10:08 am to
You'll find this stuff. EVERYWHERE. JonLevi could do an episode on my hometown. I don't even want to say it because it's a little rural backwoods town in Alabama. But I found the Greco-Roman courthouses and government buildings that burned multiple times, records destroyed. I found the old "Creek Indian" settlement and a depression newsreel by the TVA where they built an artificial forest over it, that's still managed as a state forest today.

If you go back to settler accounts in Alabama territory pre 1820 they don't even talk about Creek or Indians, just "Spaniards."

All the old depictions (pre 1820) of Creeks and the other "civilized" tribes depict them as Caucasian-Mediterranean, highly educated, noble Christians. The modern depiction of the Asiatic savage didn't seem to exist until around the Civil War and really picked up afterwards.

Here's some Indians as depicted at the time. These same exact individuals are now depicted much more Asian, dark skinned and "wild"











It's endless. This kind of portrayal is absolutely typical of the time. Europe believed they were a lost tribe, and conversion was so easy it wasn't even considered conversion, just completion of the story.. They were already monotheistic and had a very similar origin story in their mythos. Pocahontas was practically worshipped and made royalty.

The dark skinned Savage was unveiled, amazingly, at the world's fair. Here's "Geronimo" which even mainstream historians have doubts was really Geronimo and admit may have been just an actor. You paid your ticket and went an observed the man on display, like an actor



I think Creeks = Greeks and Muscogee = Muscovy. Cherokee was probably Czechy or something like. America may have been like Russia historically, the cities very advanced but out in the hinterland you have many mixed ethnicities in nomadic tribes living less civilized. And we usurped the cities and said the savages were all they ever had. Or the savages are a complete fabrication from imported Asian slaves. Maybe a combination, they imported some and really played up that aspect.
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