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Posted on 10/18/18 at 8:16 pm to L1C4
quote:You don' think Trump is a demagogue??? --- Or is it you don't know what a demagogue is? ---
BTW he said Trump is a demagogue.
Or is it that you don't like to hear Trump being called a demagogue, even if it's true?
demagogue --- a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:53 pm to L1C4
quote:no one can know that God doesn't exist. it would take complete knowledge of everything supernatural which no person can obtain since they are limited by the natural world. it's like a square trying to know what a cube is.
He said there is no proof that God exists
otoh, we can know that God does exist if he has revealed himself to us, which he has.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:56 pm to L1C4
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:59 pm to RCDfan1950
quote:can't be done. science is constrained by methodological naturalism. God is supernatural or extranatural. put another way, science is concerned with the physical. God is metaphysical.
To scientifically 'prove' that there is God
the existence of God is beyond the purview of science. that's why is so silly when people say there's no evidence for God's existence. they are looking for scientific evidence of something decidedly unscientific.
much more can be said about this
Posted on 10/18/18 at 10:00 pm to americanrealism
quote:panentheism? inherently contradictory notion
the entire universe itself is conscious and alive?
quote:silly nonsense gobbledegook
gnostic traditions
Posted on 10/18/18 at 10:04 pm to Joshjrn
quote:prove it
He’s right; there isn’t
and don't start with the pansy "you can't prove a negative." you are making the POSITIVE assertion that God does not exist. it is the assertion that "it is the case that reality is something different than God existing." there is no such thing as "weak" atheism. there is just atheism. prove that God positively does not exist.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 10:05 pm to BayouBlitz
quote:it is possible that living people do indeed know God exists.
No one living does
Posted on 10/18/18 at 10:10 pm to bfniii
Is it possible that there is something outside of space/time? It is awfully closed minded to say there isn't. But such is the conundrum for science...it allows for only what can be observed in the physical universe. It limits itself to only what can be observed.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 10:52 pm to L1C4
If he could send a message it wouldn't be what he wrote in his book. He'd be saying "I was wrong, God does exist, SORRY".
Posted on 10/18/18 at 10:56 pm to bfniii
quote:
prove it and don't start with the pansy "you can't prove a negative." you are making the POSITIVE assertion that God does not exist. it is the assertion that "it is the case that reality is something different than God existing." there is no such thing as "weak" atheism. there is just atheism. prove that God positively does not exist.
What in the frick are you babbling about?
I said that Hawkins is correct in saying that there is no proof that god exists. How you managed to twist that into a strawman of my saying that there is proof god doesn’t exist is baffling.
Take your medication and go to sleep.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 11:00 pm to Loserman
quote:wrong. we can know of God's existence if he has revealed it to us, which he has. we wouldn't even be able to formulate any thoughts about God if he didn't exist. the concept would be irrational.
The only way he would know if god exists would be IF there is an afterlife and IF in that aferlife there is a god
Posted on 10/18/18 at 11:01 pm to Loserman
quote:wrong. we can know of God's existence if he has revealed it to us, which he has. we wouldn't even be able to formulate any thoughts about God if he didn't exist. the concept would be irrational.
The only way he would know if god exists would be IF there is an afterlife and IF in that aferlife there is a god
Posted on 10/18/18 at 11:04 pm to bfniii
quote:
wrong. we can know of God's existence if he has revealed it to us, which he has.
Not persuasive.
quote:
we wouldn't even be able to formulate any thoughts about God if he didn't exist. the concept would be irrational.
Utter nonsense.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 11:05 pm to bfniii
quote:
can't be done. science is constrained by methodological naturalism. God is supernatural or extranatural. put another way, science is concerned with the physical. God is metaphysical. the existence of God is beyond the purview of science. that's why is so silly when people say there's no evidence for God's existence. they are looking for scientific evidence of something decidedly unscientific. much more can be said about this
Atheists live in an undefinable “reality” with extreme order, like maybe there’s some intelligent design but they’ve convinced themselves that this undefined reality is happenstance. They believe we are the alpha and omega because we have free thought and consciousness, that this reality exists only in our minds.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 11:05 pm to RCDfan1950
quote:we don't know that mere observation affects reality. we just know what we observe. there are multiple branches of quantum physics that handle the observation problem differently
Belief, as it affects ultimate reality. So does Quantum Physics, as the act of (Subjective) OBSERVATION of Empirical Reality via Matter/Energy...affects the perceived Empirical Reality
Posted on 10/18/18 at 11:08 pm to AggieHank86
quote:as i have said repeatedly, this is an assertion that no living person can substantiate. moreover, your statement is false
there is also no proof that a Creator Diety does NOT exist
quote:the problem with your approach is that i would imagine you are arguing for empirical proof of something that is not empirical, which is a category mistake. there are metaphysical/philosophical proofs of God's existence.
Do you grasp the difference between belief and proof?
Posted on 10/18/18 at 11:09 pm to Bass Tiger
quote:quantum entanglement. it has been reproduced in experiments and it is mind blowing
related subatomic particles can be an infinite distance apart but behave as if they're the same particle regardless of time and space
Posted on 10/18/18 at 11:11 pm to bfniii
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there are purported metaphysical/philosophical proofs of God's existence
FTFY
Posted on 10/18/18 at 11:11 pm to Kentucker
quote:just to be clear, we don't know what it is. we just call it dark matter for convenience. as NDT says, we could just as easily call it steve
There is plenty of proof that dark matter exists
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