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re: Spinoff: Grade changes in places other than EBR
Posted on 5/12/14 at 5:14 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 5/12/14 at 5:14 pm to LSURussian
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Then why have grades at all?
Missing my point I think.
Why is the teacher so invested in this.
She is upset that she gave a student a F or D and someone gave the student a better grade.
Is she upset for the student that someone is harming the students she holds so dear, or is she upset that someone is handing out the grades she held so dearly.
Can you imagine a student not turning an assignment in on time and still passing the class. What about the student that would not participate in class?
I agree that pushing students up the ladder that do not know the material is just setting them up for larger failures later, but then again that would just be a pass or fail issue.
Teachers that whine about these types of issues do seem like control freaks to me. They are more concerned about what they want the kids to do, instead of the kids learning. Not to say they do not want the kids to learn, I believe they do, but that is not the primary goal for many.
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Posted on 5/12/14 at 8:51 pm to novabill
I asked a CEO of a big box store one time why are businesses scared of her company coming to town.
She said the businesses that I put out of business needed to go out of business. The ones still around are growing due to they are successful.
Same with students that do well will succeed in life. The kids that hide behind mommy will not succeed without mommy helping them.
She said the businesses that I put out of business needed to go out of business. The ones still around are growing due to they are successful.
Same with students that do well will succeed in life. The kids that hide behind mommy will not succeed without mommy helping them.
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 5/13/14 at 11:28 am to novabill
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Why is the teacher so invested in this
As other posters suggested - integrity. I think grades should reflect what students have learned.
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She is upset that she gave a student a F or D and someone gave the student a better grade.
I'm a he. Also, I don't "give" grades. Students earn grades. (Well, at least that's how I thought it worked.)
Unit exams count for 40% of a students final grade. (School policy)
Mid-term/Final Exams count for 15% of the final exam. (School policy)
Labs count for 30%.
All practice work is graded very leniently - in many cases, students get full credit simply for attempting the work.
I offered after school tutoring throughout the school year.
I did everything I could do to assist students. Too many just wouldn't do it.
The vast majority of students can't show up and do well on a Chemistry exam unless they have paid attention in class, studied, practiced, etc. That's just a fact.
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Teachers that whine about these types of issues do seem like control freaks to me.
A teacher has to control a classroom full of teenagers in order for learning to occur.
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They are more concerned about what they want the kids to do, instead of the kids learning.
Learning is a process.
Teachers should be concerned about what students do in class so that they can learn.
Teachers should be concerned about students spending some time outside of class reviewing, studying, practicing so that they will learn.
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that is not the primary goal for many.
It is for me. Everything I do is to help students learn. Am I a perfect teacher? No. We can always improve at what we do.
The real issue though is a lack of integrity and violation of state statute by school administrators.
What lessons do students learn by these types of actions by administrators? I'll tell you - it teaches them that they really don't have to try because in the end someone is going to bail them out.
(The Feds teach people this same lesson with endless entitlement programs btw).
Posted on 5/13/14 at 11:32 am to novabill
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And the grades are your power source to ensure you receive those things that you want/expect?
'those things' = participation -> to learn
"want/expect" = student mastery of content
Posted on 5/13/14 at 11:33 am to novabill
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Missing my point I think.
Why is the teacher so invested in this.
She is upset that she gave a student a F or D and someone gave the student a better grade.
Is she upset for the student that someone is harming the students she holds so dear, or is she upset that someone is handing out the grades she held so dearly.
Can you imagine a student not turning an assignment in on time and still passing the class. What about the student that would not participate in class?
I agree that pushing students up the ladder that do not know the material is just setting them up for larger failures later, but then again that would just be a pass or fail issue.
Teachers that whine about these types of issues do seem like control freaks to me. They are more concerned about what they want the kids to do, instead of the kids learning. Not to say they do not want the kids to learn, I believe they do, but that is not the primary goal for many.
You didn't answer his question, at all.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 11:50 am to moneyg
Mom Taught and was Principal over 40 yrs, Two Brothers are Highschool AD's, both been teaching for over 25 yrs. Sister in law ,teaching for years and my Daughter has been teaching highschool for 4 yrs. All Public schools. Except for my Daughter who hasnt been doing it long as them. Theyve all dealt with some of the OP's issues. Dont know if his is true. Teachers dont speak up because they like working, probably like some of us who dont speak up at our jobs about certain issues. My family members all love teaching and most of the Kids. But its the inmates who now run the alasyam.
This post was edited on 5/13/14 at 11:54 am
Posted on 5/13/14 at 11:52 am to secondandshort
I suspect this poster knows me. Reveal yourself! 
Busted my butt all year for all of my students.
Hmmm. Someone knows me? Someone is biased against alternately certified teachers?
Wow, this person has observed every teacher out of alternate certification programs.
You must be my administrator?
Referring to me? How could you possibly know this? Unless you are my administrator - if so, you are being dishonest.
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Apparently this guy let his students down
Busted my butt all year for all of my students.
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This is part of the problem with having teachers certified through alternate programs.
Hmmm. Someone knows me? Someone is biased against alternately certified teachers?
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They don't know how to teach.
Wow, this person has observed every teacher out of alternate certification programs.
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I'm willing to bet the hasn't been in the profession long and went through an alternate program after being in another profession.
You must be my administrator?
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but have seen some get into teaching for the wrong reasons.
Referring to me? How could you possibly know this? Unless you are my administrator - if so, you are being dishonest.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 12:12 pm to EST
I've had students in my class grades raised too.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 9:25 pm to EST
I find it interesting that you chose Tigerdroppings to vent your displeasure with the school system going so far as to call out the school and the district in the name of a public service announcement with no way to hear the other side’s story. Then you become paranoid and assume a fellow poster is your administrator.
You said that you went through the administration and the central office and neither gave you the answer you wanted. What you have to ask yourself is, are that many people wrong, or is it you?
By the way you explain things, you would think it is an epidemic at the school. Do other teachers claim that their grades have been changed? I am assuming not or else the central office would have addressed it during your complaint. I am assuming that as large as the school is, you are not the only chemistry teacher. If the other teachers had complained, I am assuming you would have known. Are you really that arrogant to assume that you are a far better teacher than the others and that is why your grades were lower?
If the administration felt it necessary to change my grades, the first thought that would cross my mind is what I did to cause the problem. Not assume that all of my students went to the office and “lied” about me. Also, I agree with the administration. I would not tell you who complained either. If these students have you for another semester, I would worry as a student about you holding a grudge against me. Even if that would never happen with you, I would not want to take the chance. You may go complain about me to a message board.
As far as what actually happened, it is never exactly like one side says it is. Clearly we will never know the whole story because your administration will not go to tigerdroppings to complain about you. I can only imagine your response if they did.
You said that you went through the administration and the central office and neither gave you the answer you wanted. What you have to ask yourself is, are that many people wrong, or is it you?
By the way you explain things, you would think it is an epidemic at the school. Do other teachers claim that their grades have been changed? I am assuming not or else the central office would have addressed it during your complaint. I am assuming that as large as the school is, you are not the only chemistry teacher. If the other teachers had complained, I am assuming you would have known. Are you really that arrogant to assume that you are a far better teacher than the others and that is why your grades were lower?
If the administration felt it necessary to change my grades, the first thought that would cross my mind is what I did to cause the problem. Not assume that all of my students went to the office and “lied” about me. Also, I agree with the administration. I would not tell you who complained either. If these students have you for another semester, I would worry as a student about you holding a grudge against me. Even if that would never happen with you, I would not want to take the chance. You may go complain about me to a message board.
As far as what actually happened, it is never exactly like one side says it is. Clearly we will never know the whole story because your administration will not go to tigerdroppings to complain about you. I can only imagine your response if they did.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 9:49 pm to TigerTeacher2010
and I don't even post on this board
This post was edited on 5/13/14 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 5/13/14 at 11:01 pm to EST
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What lessons do students learn by these types of actions by administrators? I'll tell you - it teaches them that they really don't have to try because in the end someone is going to bail them out.
You are honestly upset because you think the kids are being hurt? It is about them?
If you say so, maybe you are not like the typical teacher that soon gets jaded in classroom.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:17 am to TigerTeacher2010
I've been posting on TD for over 10 years about all kinds of different topics. This is just the latest.
So you think its wrong to publicize events at a local PUBLIC (tax payer funded),government school on a relatively local website? I don't. I've spread the word in other ways too. What good it will do I have no idea.
You can call me paranoid, blame me as the teacher, whatever - I can't help that - you can think what you want and assume all you want.
But I stand firmly behind what I've posted. The administration changed a teachers final grades without notifying the teacher or consulting the teacher - a violation of Louisiana state statute. Attempts to justify the grade changes were weak at best - using only half of a policy.
Criticisms of me as a teacher in attempts to discredit the messenger - expected.
Also, I have never said anything about the other Chemistry teachers I work with. I certainly do not think I'm better than them, in fact, I highly respect them.
So you think its wrong to publicize events at a local PUBLIC (tax payer funded),government school on a relatively local website? I don't. I've spread the word in other ways too. What good it will do I have no idea.
You can call me paranoid, blame me as the teacher, whatever - I can't help that - you can think what you want and assume all you want.
But I stand firmly behind what I've posted. The administration changed a teachers final grades without notifying the teacher or consulting the teacher - a violation of Louisiana state statute. Attempts to justify the grade changes were weak at best - using only half of a policy.
Criticisms of me as a teacher in attempts to discredit the messenger - expected.
Also, I have never said anything about the other Chemistry teachers I work with. I certainly do not think I'm better than them, in fact, I highly respect them.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 9:47 am to EST
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o you think its wrong to publicize events at a local PUBLIC (tax payer funded),government school on a relatively local website?
Not at all.
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The administration changed a teachers final grades without notifying the teacher or consulting the teacher - a violation of Louisiana state statute
Not even questioning the legality of it.
What I am questioning is why you are so upset about it. Does it ruin your summer to think that a kid had his grade improved for one reason or another? If they are passing a kid that knows nothing about the subject matter, I understand it can reflect poorly on you as a teacher when the kid gets to the next rung on the ladder. Otherwise, I do not get it. So a student has a B on their transcript instead of a D or C, all or passing and the kid would be moving on up anyway.
I still think it is about the control, the power you hold over kids and the ability to impact their lives. The ability to retaliate against them for not doing what you want them to do in "your" classroom.
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