re: Southern Baptist ban on women pastors fails in historic vote

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Is that contextual or is that an "all time" command?

Does that mean women should also not sing in worship, serve in kids ministry, have their heads covered in service as well?

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You are obviously stretching this out to display your rebelion.
If you want to learn....
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%202&version=KJV

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Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

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If you are looking for a loophole to serve your own will rather than God's - carry on.

Even the shirts they are wearing are stupid and borderline blasphemous. People have no ability to limit God. To even put something like that into words shows that you either 1) Dont really understand in the God of the Bible or 2) You dont believe in God at all

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I know plenty of women who hold leadership roles in churches in various different ministries including worship, children's, students, etc and they aren't remotely woke at all.

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There is a role for women in the Church. Women teaching/ministering to men in the Church is very clearly forbidden. It cannot be more clear.

Singing, playing piano, teaching children, teaching other women, etc is a perfectly fine role according to scripture, for women.

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Singing, playing piano, teaching children, teaching other women, etc is a perfectly fine role according to scripture, for women.

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Please post the verse that carves out these exceptions from the “women should be quiet” passage of 1 Corinthians.

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Transpastors are next, btw.

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Yep, once concessions are made, more are to come...

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Christianity seems to have been ripped to shreds by those who want to be "spiritual" but basically do whatever the hell they want, anyway.

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Satan comes in many forms and attacks from many angles...

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Correct, he was writing it to a specific group of women. Women at the time in Corinth were largely uneducated and unable to read and thus caused disturbance in the church. My contention is that Paul's message is to that specific church in response to their specific letter. Not an all time command.

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You believe what is most convenient for your own feminist political agenda. You are very wrong in this case. Paul was clear when he was giving his specific opinions about specific places/people and when he was teaching how the Church should operate.

To answer all your questions that you asked earlier, the Word should always be followed. Its a shame that the Church no longer does. Women used to cover their heads with hats/headbands/etc when I was a kid. Women used to follow the Word in the Church...until the churches became more about appeasing the world than following scripture.

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How am I stretching anything?

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You brought up covering the head. No one else.

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Was it Gods will to reveal a prophesy to Huldah and for her to teach King Josiah what it means in 2 Chronicles?

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Read the whole chapter and note every word.
The state of the society was at a very low point, even the "church" was an abomination.
It was not God's will but mans.

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Hilkiah the priest found a book of the law of the Lord given by Moses

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And Hilkiah answered and said to Shaphan the scribe, I have found the book of the law in the house of the Lord.

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The high priest didn't know where the word of God was.

God CAN use an abomination to carry out his will.

How did they get there?

Look - because we are heading for that rock too!

Q: how far will this plane get on one engine?
A: All the way to the scene of the crash.

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Do women have to cover their heads in your church? Does your wife wear jewelry or get her hair done? Does she pray without covering her head? Has she ever volunteered to teach kid's ministry or to teach a women's bible study?

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As much as I'd like to answer those questions, I think Catholics and others who don't agree with the concept of looking to God's Word as our ultimate and only infallible rule for our faith misunderstand what the doctrine actually is.

It means that the Bible is the only infallible rule for the Christian. It means whatever God has communicated to man through it is true and alone has the authority to bind consciences. It doesn't mean it is equally clear on everything it says, nor that all who read it will have the same understanding of what it says. Sin still clouds our understanding, after all.

When the SBC, UMC, PCUSA, or any other denomination or individual stops seeing the Bible as the only infallible rule that we all must be conformed to but instead seeks to subject the Bible to any other standard (like the Catholic magisterium or the cultural consensus of the day), they are going to be carried away from the truth to the gates of Hell, as eventually even the gospel of Jesus Christ will be compromised.

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Couple questions to help understand your arguments better

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Okay sure.

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1) are you a female?

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No.

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2) what denomination do you belong to?

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I wouldn't say i'm on any particular team. I believe Jesus Christ was and is the son of God who lived a blameless life on earth, willingly sacrificed himself in my place and proved his authority over even death by rising on Easter morning. I believe it's God's will for me to do his work and his work as outlined by Christ is to believe in the one he sent.

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As an SBC member, and some who grew up in the same Church I go to now, I don’t mind women doing roles like children’s ministry, but not actual church leadership roles. Ie head of the children’s ministry still reports to a man. Like a proper household should be. In the home the man is the final say, but his wife is the manager of the daily home needs. A SBC church can’t preach proper home hierarchy, and not follow it in the Church.

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No offense meant but no one has been able to explain to me how they can simultaneously hold the view that women can lead in certain ministries of the church but also must remind quiet. Which is it? Is it permissible for them to teach in certain circumstances but must be quiet in others? If so, please link the scripture that makes those carve out exceptions.

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At the end of the day, leave the SBC alone, and go to a church that accepts how you prefer to practice. For me, if a woman were to stand at my churches pulpit to preach, I’d get up and walk out. Same as if I saw a female deacon.

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I assume you would be in disagreement with Paul in his writings of Romans 16.

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16 I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a deacon in the church in Cenchrea. 2 Welcome her in the Lord as one who is worthy of honor among God’s people. Help her in whatever she needs, for she has been helpful to many, and especially to me.

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Lefties and feminists feel they need everything to accommodate/assimilate to them and that needs to stop.

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Because another believer has a different interpretation of scripture, they must be a leftist and feminist?

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As much as I'd like to answer those questions, I think Catholics and others who don't agree with the concept of looking to God's Word as our ultimate and only infallible rule for our faith misunderstand what the doctrine actually is.

It means that the Bible is the only infallible rule for the Christian. It means whatever God has communicated to man through it is true and alone has the authority to bind consciences. It doesn't mean it is equally clear on everything it says, nor that all who read it will have the same understanding of what it says. Sin still clouds our understanding, after all.

When the SBC, UMC, PCUSA, or any other denomination or individual stops seeing the Bible as the only infallible rule that we all must be conformed to but instead seeks to subject the Bible to any other standard (like the Catholic magisterium or the cultural consensus of the day), they are going to be carried away from the truth to the gates of Hell, as eventually even the gospel of Jesus Christ will be compromised.

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I look to Christ in his approach to people and circumstances he encountered here. Christ healed on the sabbath, he cleansed lepers, he spoke to women, etc etc. He "broke" many of the "rules" because he didn't come to heap rules on us, he came to free us. How often did Christ rebuke the religious leaders for their arrogance and anger with others who followed God a bit differently than they did? 2000 years later, we're still doing that, just look at this thread. One issue of difference and people have attacked me with all kinds of names. Is that the message Christ brought?