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So if Gorbachev was a Russian traitor and an American spy

Posted on 6/22/17 at 4:22 am
Posted by Insert clever name
Member since Jun 2017
104 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 4:22 am
Understand this is all conjecture as I have not throughly researched my ideas or will I ever be able to but if certain people are correct and Gorbachev was infant controlled by the CIA in the 80's wouldn't this make Putin aware of the truth.
This is where I may lose some but if Putin was aware of Gorbachev being controlled by the Americans wouldn't Putin attempt to extract revenge for the U.S destroying the Soviet Union therefore Russia. Putin may not be a communist nor a Marxist but he is still a Russian. Russia was completely humiliated during the 90's. People in this country do not understand Russian nationalism
nor masculinity. United States pretty much cut off their balls and made them feel weak again.
Let's get at today. Trump may not himself be a Russian spy but could it be possible at all that people around Trump are taking orders from Putin and the Kremlin. This would be the way Russia would attempt to payback the US and exact revenge.

I am not asking you to believe any of this but what I am asking you to do is to at least put an effort into studying Russia and finding out what Russia is.
Russia is a wonderful country but it is a very insecure country that has been overran throughout history and always has had the ability to recreate itself and rise from the ashes like the Phoenix
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123814 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 4:46 am to
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Gorbachev was infant controlled by the CIA in the 80's wouldn't this make Putin aware of the truth.
This is where I may lose some but if Putin was aware of Gorbachev being controlled by the Americans wouldn't Putin attempt to extract revenge


If you are looking for a revenge motive, you do realize Hillary issued public aspersions concerning the 2011 Russian election and probably had a hand in disrupting them to the extent she could, right? You do understand Putin raged for months over her involvement in Russian affairs, right?
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 4:47 am to
There is no evidence of collusion, per every democrat who has been a part of the investigation.
Posted by tidalmouse
Whatsamotta U.
Member since Jan 2009
30706 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 4:52 am to
I think that Gorbachec was a great Man.1st Soviet leader in my life with a semi-hot wife.

Boris Yeltsin did the most damage to Russia.

Gorbachev said that H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton preferred Yeltsin because his vision of the Soviet Union more closely resembled theirs'.

I think Putin wants a strong Russia.Krimea is a strategic Port.So I get that.



Posted by Insert clever name
Member since Jun 2017
104 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 4:59 am to
This has nothing to do with politics

Russia US relations really hit a snag over Serbia
Yes it was a Clinton in the White House during Kosovo

The US did not allow Russia to aid their longtime ally.
Russia/ Serbia is somewhat similar to US/ UK in a way

US policy after the fall of the Soviet Union came from the first Bush though. Clinton pretty much followed the path that Bush started
Posted by Insert clever name
Member since Jun 2017
104 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:01 am to
For sure Putin wants a strong Russia and I believed that was Russia's right for awhile but Russia believes they have a sphere of influence in a lot of the world and this idea pretty much comes in conflict with what the United States wants in the world
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123814 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:02 am to
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This has nothing to do with politics
Why Putin Hates Hillary - July 2016
Posted by Insert clever name
Member since Jun 2017
104 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:06 am to
Understand this if another man knocks you down what are you going to do if you can get up.
Russian masculinity says knock the other man on his arse as soon as you get back up.
This is why Putin had a macho image in the early 2000's. Russia's plan was way before Hillary/ Trump.

My issue with Trump is his actions around the globe have put the US at a disadvantage.
Would Hillary have done the same I have no idea but according to your link Putin didn't think so.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
10898 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:20 am to
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Insert clever name:
Member since Jun 2017
104 posts


Post less.

TD Profits.
Posted by Porky
Member since Aug 2008
19103 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 6:10 am to
The Soviet Union collapsed primarily because of its own destructive policies such as wasting money and lives on endless global conflicts and other worthless endeavors. Sound familiar?
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 6:22 am
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 7:18 am to
He hates her because he fears another RESET button!

just reminding everyone of the lamest stunt in diplomatic history
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89488 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 7:22 am to
quote:

could it be possible at all that people around Trump are taking orders from Putin and the Kremlin.


You might want to get checked out for head trauma.
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
Beyond the Pale
Member since Dec 2007
14916 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 7:27 am to
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could it be possible at all that people around Trump are taking orders from Putin and the Kremlin.

You sound like the narrator on Ancient Aliens.
Posted by rebeloke
Member since Nov 2012
16070 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 7:28 am to
One word for you: Syria.
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