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re: Sky Screamers Rejoice! Senate votes to repeal the repeal of Net Neutrality
Posted on 5/17/18 at 8:32 am to The Spleen
Posted on 5/17/18 at 8:32 am to The Spleen
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It is estimated that around 50 million Americans have only one choice for internet service, and in areas with more than one choice, it's usually only 2 choices. I only have 2 choices where I live - AT&T or Charter.
You think Title II will fix that?
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This notion that more companies are going to enter the market to provide more choices and thus competition is a pipe dream.
You're wrong. In fact, title II regulation will probably be a boon for BigCom.
We need more open competition, not more regulation.
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It may happen in certain major metropolitan areas, but not across the country. The barriers are too high in most instances, with or without NN. The government has already given these companies a quasi-monopoly.
My little ole city has three internet companies. I know this is kind of weird to those who trust government, but during those periods without title II regulation my internet worked just fine and we added competition in my market.
I trust the mechanisms of a more free market faaaar more than I trust government regulation.
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 8:33 am to kingbob
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There already is virtually no consumer choice.
Disagree.
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Local governments already picked the winners and losers.
So, you think local government is picking winners and losers and you think more regulation is going to fix that....
Title II gives these local bubbas faaar more control.
It seems the fix would be deregulation instead of giving the Gubment supreme authority here.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 8:35 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 8:36 am to bmy
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No.. i think better government means
Dumbest statement ever, which government was it that makes us better? Damn we have some stupid people in this world.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 8:38 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 8:37 am to GoCrazyAuburn
But they weren’t going to with the roll back of NN. There probably are better ways to do this, but Congress didn’t propose a better way to do it, only to not do it at all, which is the opposite of a solution. I don’t want the government to have this power either, but the ISP’s have also proven that they cannot be trusted with it and that there isn’t enough consumer choice for market forces to keep them from doing it. The purpose of utilities are to ensure everyone has access to the service if they want it and can pay for it, avoid redundancy of infrastructure where it would be economically wasteful, and maintaining controls and rates that approximate the conditions a consumer would enjoy if there actually was a competitive market in that sphere in exchange for a natural monopoly over a given area. What we have right now is that exact situation minus the consumer protection. NN is the only proposition for consumer protection.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 8:38 am to RogerTheShrubber
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There already is virtually no consumer choice.
Disagree.
I have yet to hear one single argument supporting that disagreement. The vast vast majority of this country has maybe two, usually one, source of high speed internet. You cannot allow those companies to control and dictate the flow of internet traffic.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 8:39 am to RogerTheShrubber
That’s because they were regulated under title 1 
When the repeal of NN goes into effect, they will be regulated by neither!
How do you shills not get this
When the repeal of NN goes into effect, they will be regulated by neither!
How do you shills not get this
Posted on 5/17/18 at 8:40 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You think Title II will fix that?
No, I think it would at least provide some protections to consumers.
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In fact, title II regulation will probably be a boon for BigCom.
Which begs the question of why they're fighting it so tooth and nail.
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We need more open competition, not more regulation.
I'm all for more competition. But in most areas of the country, the stage has already been set for less competition because of the barriers put in place for new players to enter the market.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 8:46 am to Breesus
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You cannot allow those companies to control and dictate the flow of internet traffic.
NN is limited to providers. the "last mile" regulation. Your content can still be highly manipulated by others. You people just don't get this.
Google has already pulled this with various companies.
Your flow of traffic is going to be dictated regardless, but you're still going to give the government massive control over the industry.
Deregulation is the answer. Less regulation, less protection for BigCom and more incentive for the little guy to hop in.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 8:49 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 8:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
The little guy won't have a chance hell there are places where only one internet company exists. Take away NN and those people will get absolutely screwed
Posted on 5/17/18 at 8:50 am to dawgfan24348
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The little guy won't have a chance hell there are places where only one internet company exists.
Under current regulations, correct. Deregulate and they will.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 8:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Your content can still be highly manipulated by others. You people just don't get this.
Google has already pulled this with various companies.
I'm aware google manipulates its search algorithm. I can use a website other than google.
If Cox New Orleans decided that Google was the only search engine i could use that would be a massive problem.
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more incentive for the little guy to hop in.
Explain to me how a "little guy" can upstart a competitive ISP
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 8:53 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 8:57 am to Breesus
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I'm aware google manipulates its search algorithm. I can use a website other than google.
Not what's happening. For instance, Google blocked youtube and some other Google features on Amazon devices.
"Throttling" can still be done under NN. The regulations only regulate providers.
The future of internet is wireless. Our newest and smallest entry in the market here is a wireless provider that utilizes radio waves instead of wiring.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:01 am to RogerTheShrubber
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For instance, Google blocked youtube and some other Google features on Amazon devices.
i don't have a problem with this. It's the same thing as microsoft office not allowing its programs to function on a mac or apple not allowing its apps to function on android.
That's private company competitive business decisions. You can use a non-google or non-amazon device.
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The future of internet is wireless.
This wont be a future until the golden range of spectrum currently dedicated to broadcast television and radio is re-classified to ISP use.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 9:02 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:04 am to Breesus
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You can use a non-google or non-amazon device.
I'm a big mystified how some people are ok with Google doing that, and ISP's being prevented from doing just that.
Google could block or manipulate a hell of a lot of data.
During the period of non NN, did anyone have throttling issues? I didn't. I'm not aware of anyone who did.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:07 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I'm a big mystified how some people are ok with Google doing that, and ISP's being prevented from doing just that.
Because there are tons of competitors out there to Google. You can use a non Google device or a different website. Because anyone can create a website and many many companies make competing products. Google is one of many companies.
Much of the USA has 1 single ISP provider. Two if you're extremely lucky.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:09 am to Breesus
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Because there are tons of competitors out there to Google.
There aren't tons of competitors to youtube, or a couple of other services Google provides.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:10 am to RogerTheShrubber
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During the period of non NN, did anyone have throttling issues?
I didn't myself, but many people did and it was one of the reasons there was a big push for NN.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:14 am to Breesus
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Much of the USA has 1 single ISP provider. Two if you're extremely lucky.
Broadband.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
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There aren't tons of competitors to youtube, or a couple of other services Google provides.
Sure there are. There are plenty of competitors to youtube. YouTube just happens to be the most popular in the field. And anyone can start a website. The barriers to entry to starting a website are basically non-existent. And thats because ISPs have to treat all traffic the same. Google can't PAY Cox to effectively silence and shut down competition.
If you completely deregulated ISPs and allowed them to descriminate based on content then what Google is going would need to be regulated which would be government interference in a free market.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 9:23 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:23 am to IllegalPete
Well. This is terrible news.
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