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re: Single-payer would be a nightmare for Americans
Posted on 7/25/17 at 8:33 pm to WeeWee
Posted on 7/25/17 at 8:33 pm to WeeWee
quote:
Can you imagine telling an American he or she had to wait until 2019 to get a hip replacement. That would go over like a wet fart in church.
They are like most Americans, they do not believe that it will happen to themselves.
As long as it happens to someone else, they do not care.
However, when it does happen to them, they will raise holy hell like you have never seen, and will demand an exception be made for them.
I see it all the time at school board and city council meetings.
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 8:55 pm to BamaAtl
quote:
Stop thinking your good decisions make you immune from a lightning strike.
You want to charge the fool standing on the roof waving a golf club in a thunderstorm the same amount for coverage as the person sitting inside listening to the weather radio.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 8:57 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Nah. You simply don't know the definition of rationed.
You crossed that bar a page or two ago.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 8:59 pm to TBoy
quote:Not even close. Just have a look at what Medi-x spends today to cover only a portion of the population. And understand it does so only by shifting cost to others that are forced to pay an artificially raised price.
If we paid into the national health what we already pay in premiums, the heath service would be totally flush.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:01 pm to tarzana
quote:Actually... no. It's the greed of those expecting, demanding, and receiving "free" care that are causing its failure.
Big Insurance Greed has guaranteed the failure of ObamaCare,
quote:Lierally nothing will work. One cannot give away trillions of dollars in "free" stuff and have it remain affordable to those left to carry the burden for paying for it.
What can possibly work other than single payor?
Anyone telling you otherwise is selling you magic thoughts. Or outright lying to you.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:07 pm to BamaAtl
quote:What did heathy people do to deserve the added burden?
Health is rarely a poor choice, and often random chance.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:09 pm to Scruffy
quote:its all about the emotional "it would happen to you!" Fear, sells legislations and buys votes. Gets people to open their wallets too. Classic con-man technique.
Is this really the mindset of those trying to change healthcare?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:11 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Non-compliant diabetics say hello.
Health is rarely a poor choice, and often random chance.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:22 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Wow!
That adds expense?
How?
LINK
So in your opinion, translation services account for the extraordinary foundational cost difference in the US vs EU. I guess it would follow that the NHS only treats English-speaking patients? France only treats French speaking patients? Germany only treats German speaking patients?
Hmmm?
Yeah, may be not.
quote:As far as I can tell, your link addresses nothing related to elevated per capita cost of rural medicine as opposed to that in more populated areas. It simply addresses medicaid paying for it.
rural medicine is expensive
Link?
LINK
I know this is a complicated precept for you, but if the underlying cost of a procedure, pharmaceutical, or medical device is 2-3 fold higher than similar service abroad, 3rd party payer costs (medicaid, medicare, universal care, single payer, or private insurance) will be reflective of that. The nature of the payer is nearly inconsequential at the EU:US foundational cost spread.
The related question to you was "is the underlying cost of rural care a unique US per capita cost driver?" You claimed it was. Instead of backing that claim, you responded with a link related to coverage, not per capita cost.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:37 pm to BamaAtl
quote::Sigh:
Conversely, if the NHS was burdened with foundational American costs, it would run 2-to-3-fold the cost it does in the UK.
Link?
You've been so dishonest on everything related to this issue, it's time you backed up your 'facts' with some sources.
I thought you'd have a modicum of self respect and at least try to look something up. Alas, no.
Pacemaker insertion US ( LINK) vs International ( LINK)
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:43 pm to NC_Tigah
What are you trying to say?
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:10 pm to Dale51
quote:US healthcare expense will be high regardless of who pays for it, unless and until we address the underlying cause of expense. Single payer, Medicare, private insurance, it won't matter.
What are you trying to say?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:14 pm to NC_Tigah
BamaProg will simply retort that the government can force drug companies at gunpoint to sell their product at whatever rate the government chooses, as well as regulate the price of the services like MRIs -- and the providers (that would be you, Doc).
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I would like to know the answer to this, please?quote:
quote:
If the government avoids rationing then the costs would be astronomical.
This is not true.
...how is this not true?
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:22 pm to texashorn
quote:They could do that now. They aren't. That is the point.
BamaProg will simply retort that the government can force drug companies at gunpoint to sell their product at whatever rate the government chooses
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:24 pm to NC_Tigah
Oh? The FDA or other fed gov agency sets drug prices?
Edit: "Has the power to..."
Edit: "Has the power to..."
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:46 pm to texashorn
quote:Insofar as they limit consumer options and international pricing competition, yes.
The FDA or other fed gov agency sets drug prices?
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