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re: Simple Solution: only permit one protest at a time per place
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:47 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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i mean what would they do if those groups showed up to disrupt a Mardi Gras parade? arrest them. same thing
Again, are you going to just stop people from wondering over to the event? Once people show up they're there and if they disrupt...we'll you have violence. Your arresting them will be too late.
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not even necessary if you split up the permits
I don't think permitting is the solution. I'm not sure there is any real solution other than more police.
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Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:49 am to TrueTiger
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Many universities have found a way by banning the event before it happens.
See, Milo, Ann Coulter and David Shapiro.
I guess if you want to give in you can take this approach. However, that's an apple to oranges comparison - cancellation of invited speaker v state denial of 1st amendment rights. Nazis v Skokie.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:49 am to cwill
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Once people show up they're there and if they disrupt...we'll you have violence. Your arresting them will be too late.
well they can still be arrested after the fact, but it's clear which side disrupted the event, at the least
we can't stop all externalities but we can at least create a situation to assess blame for future monitoring/policy
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I'm not sure there is any real solution other than more police.
well the police have to actually stop the violent actors, which they seem to often be told not to do. they're picking sides adn it's scary
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:53 am to cwill
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cancellation of invited speaker v state denial of 1st amendment rights. Nazis v Skokie.
ultimately it's the same scenario, with public universities at least
the state tried to revoke the "unite the right" permits for the exact same reasons
the gameplan by leftists is to disrupt the speech/march and make future events a threat, giving an excuse to revoke the access to the public sphere. that's almost literally what they did with the VA stuff (they claimed due to security reasons they had to move the protest away from the statue to a larger park). if you give them an inch, they take a mile
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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ultimately it's the same scenario, with public universities at least
What's the same? Leftist tactics? Perhaps.
But cancelling an invited speaker event is not the same as denying a protest march. You know that.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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until proven otherwise i believe they incited the violence
there's objectivity for you.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 11:04 am to VOR
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there's objectivity for you.
i'm basing my guess off recent history and waiting on evidence
every other incident similar to this involved leftist groups using violence/threats to intimidate their opponents
This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 11:06 am
Posted on 8/13/17 at 11:06 am to VOR
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there's objectivity for you.
That is being objective. You may agree with antifa showing up getting violent but that doesn't mean they didn't start it. They absolutely did.
The left is so bat shite that they revise history now.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 11:11 am to BeeFense5
Y'all are completely fricking crazy.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 11:13 am to cwill
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cwill
this dude gets it....
Jake, in a utopia, your original premise may work... but then again, in a utopia, it would ultimately be unnecessary....
to contain large groups of protesters, the only actual solution is more policing, and not necessarily by local law enforcement... get National Guard, etc, if needed... getting a permit may give the city an idea of how to best prepare for it, but it's not a cure all... i mean, how and who gets to protest 1st? even if they were to be kept separate at the protest sites, how to you keep them separate at the gas station? or at a restaurant, or any other community facilities, at the time of the protest/counter protest? it simply can't be done...
Posted on 8/13/17 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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every other incident similar to this involved leftist groups using violence/threats to intimidate their opponents
From my perspective it's been a two way street. One side sets the bait, the other takes it and, voila, violence.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 11:15 am to cwill
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From my perspective it's been a two way street. One side sets the bait, the other takes it and, voila, violence.
it's certainly this, but when has a leftist march been invaded by violent righties? serious question
i mean even shite like richard spencer getting punched applies
Posted on 8/13/17 at 11:18 am to BeeFense5
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You may agree with antifa showing up getting violent
i've seen NO ONE advocating, even if they did support antifa, violence, at least on this forum... now, granted, i'll admit, i haven't read EVERY post, of EVERY thread, but the overall view of them is that they are wrong to incite violence as part of the counter protests...
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doesn't mean they didn't start it. They absolutely did.
there is literally NO ONE here that KNOWS they did... we assume they did, and rightfully so given their purpose and history, but there is literally not one person here who knows EXACTLY who cast the first stone...
Posted on 8/13/17 at 11:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's certainly this, but when has a leftist march been invaded by violent righties?
it's not often, that's a fact... but keep in mind that leftist marches are usually in response to a threat/act of violence/injustice, or perception thereof, by the right or the "establishment"...
tbh, if the left could assemble and mobilize on Election Days, like they do for these bullshite marches/protests, they wouldn't have as much to protest anymore... granted, there are some voting issues that do go against the left (socioeconomic needs, gerrymandering, etc), but still... be as passionate about your cause in the voting booth as you seem to be in response to these perceived attacks/injustices...
Posted on 8/13/17 at 11:30 am to SlowFlowPro
The dims and MSM want rioting in the streets.
Rules for Radicals.
Rules for Radicals.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 11:33 am to chRxis
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but keep in mind that leftist marches are usually in response to a threat/act of violence/injustice, or perception thereof, by the right or the "establishment"...
Nice premise to set up that any time the right protests, it's without merit.
I mean are you going to actually try to say the ridiculous march for science and pussy hat march were based on something with substance?
Posted on 8/13/17 at 11:33 am to SlowFlowPro
There was only one permit. Anifa didn't have a permit.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 11:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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the "Unite the Right" acquired one and had the legal ground to march
Exactly, the left should have never been out there "counter-protesting". The whole idea of counter protesting is what leads to these things.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 11:48 am to junkfunky
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People have the right to counter protest.
When you show up in helmets carrying shields and clubs you aren't coming to "protest". Unfortunately one poor girl had learn the lesson for the group the hard way. When you fvck with the bull, you get the horns.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 12:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
That would work nicely, in this case, for Nazi's vs Antifa.
However, counter-protesting has been a necessary tool: ex: the Angels who use their 10-foot costume wings to block the grieving family's view of the protesting Westboro Baptist loons who were desecrating a fallen soldier's funeral.
However, counter-protesting has been a necessary tool: ex: the Angels who use their 10-foot costume wings to block the grieving family's view of the protesting Westboro Baptist loons who were desecrating a fallen soldier's funeral.
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