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Posted on 8/17/17 at 3:40 pm to CrazyJoeDivola
Same issues will arise in all 3 nations. Mainly the one out west though. There will always be a right and a left, and one side will always create victims to consolidate the vote.
Dictators around the world world would rejoice though. With the carrier fleet split in 3 they can finally start invading and annexing weaker neighbors
Realistically if we aren't splitting military and capabilities no one is leaving, you'd be a fool if you did. And I doubt anyone is willing to leave those capabilities in a foreign powers hands. Who knows who California will elect and align with when they open their borders. They'll be selling our military tech and essentially national security in a heartbeat when all their social programs catch up to them
Dictators around the world world would rejoice though. With the carrier fleet split in 3 they can finally start invading and annexing weaker neighbors
Realistically if we aren't splitting military and capabilities no one is leaving, you'd be a fool if you did. And I doubt anyone is willing to leave those capabilities in a foreign powers hands. Who knows who California will elect and align with when they open their borders. They'll be selling our military tech and essentially national security in a heartbeat when all their social programs catch up to them
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 8/17/17 at 3:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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How does Iceland survive? Finland?
By being small and homogeneous and using wealth generated by capitalism to offer the gamut of social services to citizens. None of that would apply to the 3 nation idea.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 3:42 pm to CrazyJoeDivola
republican ran states of the south are statistically the worst in most categories and usually at the top of the categories you don't want to lead in...and you want to isolate that from the rest of the US....where can I make a donation to support this cause? Thats the best MAGA idea i've heard yet. 
Posted on 8/17/17 at 3:43 pm to Musa I of Mali
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republican ran states of the south are statistically the worst in most categories and usually at the top of the categories you don't want to lead in...and you want to isolate that from the rest of the US....where can I make a donation to support this cause? Thats the best MAGA idea i've heard yet.
Again, you can have the democrats, the South would be just fine
Posted on 8/17/17 at 3:47 pm to crazy4lsu
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By being small and homogeneous and using wealth generated by capitalism to offer the gamut of social services to citizens. None of that would apply to the 3 nation idea.
Why?
Social services have little to do with economic viability. You can't have them without a robust economy. Why would the south not be able to thrive like Germany? I imagine in our three nation deal that Texas and Florida would be Southern
Posted on 8/17/17 at 3:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Again, you can have the democrats,
So you're just going to wish them away? The "Democrats" in the south aren't just going to leave. They're currently moving back there in such large numbers that it's been called another Great Migration.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 3:49 pm to northshorebamaman
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So you're just going to wish them away? The "Democrats" in the south aren't just going to leave. They're currently moving back there in such large numbers that it's been called another Great Migration.
Why would they stay?
Posted on 8/17/17 at 3:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Why would they stay?
Because their families have been there for 200 years, they have roots, and it's their home. Do you think most people are political enough to uproot their families and move 1000 miles over it? And even if they wanted to move, a huge chunk of them can't afford to in the first place. You think inner city Birmingham or Memphis is capable of packing up and relocating to CA or NY? So pay them enough to make moving advantageous to them or forced migration?
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 8/17/17 at 3:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Social services have little to do with economic viability
Your question was how do those countries survive right? The Nordic capitalist model sees social services as investments in a small population. That is a perfectly reasonable way of using wealth. The more relevant part of my point was being small and homogeneous. Something the three nations would not be.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:03 pm to CrazyJoeDivola
Too much good hunting, fishing and wine in OR, WA and CA to just give them up. Push all the progs into an area west of Sierra Nevadas and from San Franciso in the north to LA in the south. They can call it Nuevo California.
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Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:10 pm to DownSouthJukin
OP, I hope you are not putting states like Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, and Ohio into a nation with the Southern states.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:16 pm to GeorgeWest
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Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, and Ohio
There are some good people in the rural areas of those states. Tell the ones in the cities they can GTFO.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:36 pm to CrazyJoeDivola
While I am opposed to a subdivision, "Cascadia," which could include northern CA, OR, WA and BC would be an economic powerhouse.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:39 pm to crazy4lsu
Upper midwest.
West coast.
South
Plains.
Northeast
Rockies.
Let utah be free.
Alaska and hawaii with west coast.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:40 pm to volod
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Dark Blue: California Republic, the economic power house of what was once America. It has a mixture of cultures of the West, the Pacific and Cascadia. This area will be, by far, the most likley to survive by itself. It will most likley adopted strong-left center economic stance and have a very loyal and strong willed people. They will contuinue to create western media and contain scilicon valley. Capital- San Fransico Economy Power- $$$$$ (5 out of 5) Other inportant cities- Los Angeles, San Diego, Frezno, Sacramento, San Jose Common name: California Denonym: Californian(s)
Light blue: Republic of Cascadia, (The pacific north-west), the peaceful marinetime woodland nation. It would hevely relly on a stable exports of natural recorses to support it medium economy. A left-leaning goverment with smart-yet-naïve, joyful people. Maybe they can join Canada for long lasting peace? Capital-Seattle (The people Cascadia will probibly fight weather Seattle or Portland deserve the spot. Maybe they'll settle for a place between?) Economy- $$$ (3 out of 5) Other inportant cities- Portland, Eugene, Oylimpia, Spokane, Redding Common name: Cascadia Denonym: Cascadian(s)
Yellow: Weston Republic (The American south-central west). It will be a somewhat lost nation, pondering how to become strong, but it will make great strides with cities such as Denver and Las Vegas within it's borders. It will have a center-right leaning populous, and large areas of center-left leaning people to the north-center. They all share the strong independant attitude of living in the ol' west, loyal to themselfs, their community, not so much to the state. Capital- Denver Economy- $$$/$ ( 3.5 out of 5 ) Other inportant cities- Las Vegas, Pheonix, Salt lake, Alburqurque, El Paso Common name: Weston Denonym: Weste(s), Traile(s)
Light green: Republic of Plaines (The American north-west and Tornado valley). Grant it they do share the same western culture as Weston Repiblic, they take a more sence of relaxation and ease with life than their southern neighbors. With a moderate mix up between right and left-ist population, and a normal society that cheries rural life to all extent. Its not really poor, but it has small economy thats self sutaining with built in local economies withing its borders. Capital-Omaha (Fargo-Sioux Cities-Omaha? It can be any one of them honestly.) Economy- $$ (2 out of 5) Other inportant cities- Fargo, The Siouxs, Kansas city, Billings, Tulsa Common name: Plaines, Tornado Valley Denonym: Plainen(s), Valleyan(s)
Red: Dixine Confederation (The south). I really dont have to talk about this one, you already know about its proud, hard working people, who have a rebelious atittude and seep patriotism about their newly found nation. They will be strong power in North America, competeing with California and Atlantic Republic for power. Capital- Richmond (for the sake of it) Economy- $$$$/$ (4 and a half out of 5) Other inportant cities- Columbus, Houston, Tampa, New Orleans, St. Louis, Jacksonville Common name: Dixie, Dixieland, The South Denonym: Southern(s) Dixen(s)
Purple: The Lake Republics (The north west, the great lakes area). They will have a calm society, where they emphasize being self sufficient and hard working. Let's hope they can turn what was once the idustrial heart of the World back to it's formal glory. It will have a center-left society. It will also have to deal with tackleing urban crime. Capital- Chicago (Detroit will probably try hard, but Chicago will no doubt take the spot) Economy- $$/$ (2.5 out of 5) Other inportant cities- Buffalo, Pittsburg, Cleveland, Detroit, Indianapolis, Minnieapolis, Ceder Rapids, Milwaukee Common name: The Lakes, Great Lakes, Michigan (informal) Denonym: North Western(s), Laken(s), Michigander(s) or Gander(s) (informal)
Orange: Florida Republic (South and Central Florida). They don't feel like they're southern nor share the culture, if anything they will feel more in common with California or Atlantic Republic/England; thus they peacefully back out of Dixieland and form their own country. Left-leaning population with a modern views. Florida will be a moderator country between Latin American/Carribean and North American/European economies and markets, dealing with trade and what not. Capital- Miami (Orlando will fight but Miami will strive and most likely win the tittle.) Economy- $$$$ (4 out of 5) Other inportant cities- Cape Canaveral, Orlando, Ft. Lauderdale, St. Agustine, Naples, Key West Common name: Florida, South Florda Demonym: Floridian(s)
Aqua: New England. They will have a very peaceful population that strives for patriotism and proud common heritage. They will have a strong left leaning population and will most likely keep a safe distance with all other former-american nations. They will have a decent economy with socalistic values and traits. Capital- Boston Economy- $$$ ( 3 out of 5 ) Other inportant cities- Portland (Maine), New Haven, Albany, Providence, Hartford Common name: New England Denonym: New Englander(s), Patriot(s) (Informal)
Dark green: Atlantic Republic (The middle states form the orginal 13 colonies). They will have a position of being a moderator in the region. It will have a strong economy, containing the former capital of America, and all its goodies; and also conaining New York within it borders. While lacking size it compensates for its population and powerful cities. It's safe to say they will be very, very rebellious and independant state, trying its best to keep Dixieland from trying to over power her, and will probably get tence relationships at times. It will have a strong idependant population, which cherishes their American history, and the people will rightfully claim to be the rightful sucsessor of the late United States. Going as far as flying American flags next to theirs. They will have a Centerist goverment and have a strong economy, on pair with that of California. Capital- Philidalphia Economy- $$$$$ (5 out of 5) Other inportant cities- Washignton D.C., New York, Dover, Atlantic City, Newark Common name: Atlantic Republic, Atlantis (informal) Denonym: Atlantican(s)
The yellow circles: Los Angeles, Miami and New York. They're powerful in their own right, and might try to become their own city states. They where once the main cultural and econimic centers of late America and will strive to stay inportant on the world stage.
Grey: Alaska will join Canada (unless Russia wants to take a bite like it did with a certain other peninusla) and Hawai'i will either become a peaceful polynesian nation, witha tourist based economy. China will probably try hard to take over the island culturaly and economically but the UN will step in (hopefully) and keep the Hawai'ian islands idependant and free from foriegn reign.
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 8/17/17 at 5:54 pm to CrazyJoeDivola
First off this would be great for republicans but would suck for democrats. I don't think democrats would ever go splitting up the USA . They would struggle to make it will all of the intitlements . the only problem with splitting up the US is that we would have to share the military . I would be for splitting the USA or giving the states full control. It would be worth moving for or paying a high tax to fly the democrats the area they want to go too.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 6:00 pm to BamaAtl
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The red states would be immediately impoverished.
You believe anything you are spoonfed
All the black people would flee to the coasts,which is what is behind those stats you racists like to post.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 6:00 pm to crazy4lsu
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The more relevant part of my point was being small and homogeneous. Something the three nations would not be.
The prevailing thought is this South would be too small to survive.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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How does Iceland survive? Finland?
Icelands population is 300k.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out what kind of economy is needed to support three hundred thousand people.
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